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Packers' run defense has improved since Clay Matthews moved inside

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  1. News Bot

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  2. longtimefan

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    Nice!!!!!


     
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  4. captainWIMM

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    I think a lot of us care a lot about the improved run defense. I read the article in the Journal Sentinel as well. It was obvious though that the run defense improved as soon as the team moved Matthews inside, the numbers just reflect what we've all been seeing over the last four weeks.
     
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  5. HardRightEdge

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    Yeah, I had read it already as well.

    I have a hard time getting all "yippee and yahoo" over it for a couple of reasons.

    - It was an emergency move to stop the bleeding.
    - We've got a $10 million / year Pro Bowl edge rusher out of position and banging heads at Will backer.
    - The decline in yds/carry has come about in stifling the longer runs. That doesn't address what the line is doing.
    - Two of those games were blowouts where the opponent was taken out of their game plan; another was against McKinnon; in the other Blount ran for a 5.8 yd. average on limited carries.

    While the improvement is something to smile about compared to what occurred before, it does not impress me as a coherent or permanent solution.

    We'll have to see what happens against the next physical back that's faced where the opponent is able to stay within their plan. That would appear to be Jackson + Dixon at Buffalo. Jackson is deceptively strong between the tackles; Dixon is a load.
     
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  6. Eli Haugen

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    We have bigger faster more physical LBs on the field when Mathews moves inside to make room.
     
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    Despite termed ILB, he does start at multiple positions. Imaging a ILB outside of the OLB.:eek:
     
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    Not only is Clay good, but he takes a liability off the field (Lattimore or B. Jones).

    With Barrington hopefully replacing another huge liability in Hawk, there is room for optimism at ILB for the future.
     
  9. captainWIMM

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    I don't think Matthews will primarily play inside next season as well.
     
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    On the contrary, I think they finally got it right. Clay hasn't been nearly as productive as an edge rusher the past two seasons. He's making a far greater impact by moving him around. And he's not just playing at Will. He's playing all over.
     
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    I hope he does, because his effectiveness working purely from the outside has been declining. He can be everything Urlacher was in his prime and then some as an inside backer.
     
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    I didn't say he's "just playing Will."

    If you want to contend that his days as an elite edge rusher are over then he's being overpaid.
     
  13. XPack

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    This. Keeps the teams guessing.
     
  14. Eli Haugen

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    Has there been a Hawk sighting? .........eh...... nope.
     
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    He played in nickel D in the first half; I didn't notice if took any snaps in the second half. It was hard to miss Brad Jones' missing plays in his stead in at least the 4th. quarter.

    I was a little disappointed Chuckie didn't do his homework on this topic. He commented on Hawk's apparent absence in the first half without noticing he was in the game when there were 2 down linemen with Clay stepping up to the edge, just as Capers has worked it the last few games.
     
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    i really don't get all the bashing of Hawk on here, is he really that bad? i have admitted my own ignorance/lack of knowledge here before, and if this is the case again, ok. but while AJ Hawk is not one of the top in his position, is he not a steady performer? does he make lots of mistakes? what should i be looking at here?
     
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    He is getting old, slow and gets beat on coverage way too often. Plenty of missed tackles. We need some youth at that position, hopefully Barrington keeps on improving and we find a decent ILB in next years draft.

    Chris Borland would of been a nice addition to this team :(

    However, the defense has shown steady improvement since the bye week and last night we just didn't play well enough in the second half. Detroit is going to be the biggun.
     
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    I didn't see the game but I'm wondering, if Brad Jones was playing in place of Hawk, where was Barrington.
     
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    Jones played as the lone LB in the dime package.
     
  20. captainWIMM

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    I rather have the Packers draft a true ILB early in next year´s draft. I´m fine with moving Matthews around, don´t want to see them play him primarily inside permanently though.
     
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    Hawk played some, Barrington played some, and Jones played some. They all seemed to be a step slow on plays. Maybe they can move Peppers to ILB as well! (I kid, I kid).... :D
     
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    He's most definitely NOT being overpaid by no longer being a one-trick pony.
     
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    Define "true ILB" if you would. Does that mean someone who has never played anywhere else? What makes Clay not a "true ILB?"
     
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    He never was a one trick pony.

    If you believe he's not being overpaid, then you must agree his days as elite edge rusher are not over.

    I can pretty much guarantee Matthews will not make regular appearances at ILB past this season. I'll clue you in...he's not that good at it; he's out of position a lot. He looks better than he is because he's being contrasted to what we've seen from Hawk and Jones the last couple of years. The novelty and energizing affect is already wearing off.

    It has been a needed move given how bad those other guys were playing, but long term it's no solution.
     
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    He's not a true ILB because he plays the position like an edge rusher. His reads are often incorrect and they get him out of position. His motor helps in recovery, but it also gets him attacking when he should be reading. They have him playing Will crashing the line and he's going to get hurt if he keeps it up; he doesn't have the build for it.

    You're going to see 2 guys you never heard of this coming Sunday who play the position at an equal or better level who get paid peanuts. The Bills played nickel all day against Denver, sitting their ILB backer Spikes except for the 4th. quarter, with Brown and Bradham inside playing 6 in the box. The B's read well, can stand up runners in the hole, play sideline to sideline, and are sure tacklers in space. Browns logs the tackle stats; Bradham is the better all around player being the go-to cover guy between the two. Watch these guys and you'll see the kinds of players the Packers could use inside.
     
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