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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 433819" data-attributes="member: 4300">First I apologize in advance for posting something somewhat positive about the Bears. The '85 Bears defense is held up as one of the best ever and in that regular season they gave up 23 TDs. While the Packers '96 defense gave up about one-half of one point more per game, the Packers D only gave up 19 TDs. That was a special season in all three phases of the game.  The second point I'd make is I don't think it's necessary for those of us who currently view Favre as a traitor to the Packers franchise to diminish how good he was when he was at his peak and under the relative control of Holmgren. Those three MVPs weren't a fluke. </blockquote>

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