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Packers 1st round selection, #12 overall: Rashan Gary, DE
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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 879394"><p>To repeat, that's your theory in question, your posting of hypothetical grades, your assumptions about how it is done. If you want to claim that drafting is done on the basis of "best player available" and you want to illustate how that worked historically with grades, it is you to tell me what those actual grades happened to be. Your entire theory is predicated on what GMs tell you. That is highly unreliable. Thompson had the good sense to speak infrequently and when he did say as little as possible specifically to avoid scrutiny of motivation. Gutekunst is pretty clever, but a lot more chatty and has given himself away on a couple of occasions. It is clearly not "always win now in Green Bay, Wisconsin". That was a narrative that fit the FA signings in 2019. That sure isn't a line he's repeating now. The narrative now is, "I'm channeling Ron Wolf." That is supposed to give you a warm and fuzzy.</p><p></p><p>None of this narration and deflection is intended as a criticism of Gutekunst. He can tell all the stories he likes for all I care. To whatever extent pre-draft comments about trading into clusters gave him a competitive advantage all power to him. The proof is in the putting (or pudding if you prefer). I can't say I like the flavor of this draft regardless of what story you choose to spin around it. </p><p></p><p>It doesn't matter if Alexander was the highest graded player on the board or not. The disparity from one possibility to the next is not going to be great and Alexander goes to the top based on need. Even he was a reach given the lack of optimal height at the perimenter position. It is working out though. We do see the height issue exposed from time to time, but there are other compensations to consider him as a top 10. Pudding...proof.</p><p></p><p>We're not talking about the difference between generational players vs. typical first round prospects. Show me Lawrence Taylor dropping to #26 on a trade up and I say grab him even if OLB is the last thing you need. Or if Joe Burrow inexplicably fell to #26, maybe getting in hot over over taking cash from the idiot OBJ in the locker room, you still must take him. The gap between these prospects and the others is simply to great to pass up. What you are talking about is splitting hairs while ignoring needs.</p><p></p><p>In the end, the only plausible example of a massive fall and a significant disparity in grade that you can't pass up, is Rodgers. Even then, you couldn't be fully confident Favre would show up to camp in 2005. In that respect, Rodgers was a bigger need pick than even Love who surely did not deserve a similar grade.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 879394"] To repeat, that's your theory in question, your posting of hypothetical grades, your assumptions about how it is done. If you want to claim that drafting is done on the basis of "best player available" and you want to illustate how that worked historically with grades, it is you to tell me what those actual grades happened to be. Your entire theory is predicated on what GMs tell you. That is highly unreliable. Thompson had the good sense to speak infrequently and when he did say as little as possible specifically to avoid scrutiny of motivation. Gutekunst is pretty clever, but a lot more chatty and has given himself away on a couple of occasions. It is clearly not "always win now in Green Bay, Wisconsin". That was a narrative that fit the FA signings in 2019. That sure isn't a line he's repeating now. The narrative now is, "I'm channeling Ron Wolf." That is supposed to give you a warm and fuzzy. None of this narration and deflection is intended as a criticism of Gutekunst. He can tell all the stories he likes for all I care. To whatever extent pre-draft comments about trading into clusters gave him a competitive advantage all power to him. The proof is in the putting (or pudding if you prefer). I can't say I like the flavor of this draft regardless of what story you choose to spin around it. It doesn't matter if Alexander was the highest graded player on the board or not. The disparity from one possibility to the next is not going to be great and Alexander goes to the top based on need. Even he was a reach given the lack of optimal height at the perimenter position. It is working out though. We do see the height issue exposed from time to time, but there are other compensations to consider him as a top 10. Pudding...proof. We're not talking about the difference between generational players vs. typical first round prospects. Show me Lawrence Taylor dropping to #26 on a trade up and I say grab him even if OLB is the last thing you need. Or if Joe Burrow inexplicably fell to #26, maybe getting in hot over over taking cash from the idiot OBJ in the locker room, you still must take him. The gap between these prospects and the others is simply to great to pass up. What you are talking about is splitting hairs while ignoring needs. In the end, the only plausible example of a massive fall and a significant disparity in grade that you can't pass up, is Rodgers. Even then, you couldn't be fully confident Favre would show up to camp in 2005. In that respect, Rodgers was a bigger need pick than even Love who surely did not deserve a similar grade. [/QUOTE]
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