Our porous secondary

[Timmons]

Does anyone have any stats on how many 'explosive' (over 16 yards or something like that) passes were completed against our zone vs. our man to man coverage?

It seems to me that we've got a lot of problems with the transition in the zone. I'd like to see more one on one press coverage from the corners, with safety support only after the ball is thrown.

I'd also like to ask why we don't stagger our corners more and bring Manuel closer to the line to help more with run support and let Collins help on the long ball. If this is where they are good, then let them shine.

I like to see our corners covering deep with Collins coming to help.

If we're not going to bench Manuel, then we should at least hide him in the traffic near the line of scrimmage.

Btw, Woodson needs to start tackling receivers during the catch and NOT after, and for god sakes, hit someone like you mean it. His barnacle tackling technique of lacking on for the ride doesn't scare any receivers.

 

[GakkofNorway]

Our main problem, in my opinion, is that both our safeties are best in run support and hitting, they are too much alike. It was a mistake to bring in Manuel when we already had Collins, they aren't a good duo because they don't complement each other.

 

[DakotaT]

Our main problem, in my opinion, is that both our safeties are best in run support and hitting, they are too much alike. It was a mistake to bring in Manuel when we already had Collins, they aren't a good duo because they don't complement each other.

We should be using Manuel like Denver uses Lynch. Expecting a slowing safety to cover receivers is bad coaching. I would even let Manuel play some SSLB if it ends up Poppinga or Taylor can't cover tight ends or stay with RBs. The greatest quality a coach has is the ability to make adjustments on the field and in the film room. The elite coaches do it in both places. We haven't had an elite coach for a while.

 

[Zero2Cool]

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[DePack]

Our main problem, in my opinion, is that both our safeties are best in run support and hitting, they are too much alike. It was a mistake to bring in Manuel when we already had Collins, they aren't a good duo because they don't complement each other.

We should be using Manuel like Denver uses Lynch. Expecting a slowing safety to cover receivers is bad coaching. I would even let Manuel play some SSLB if it ends up Poppinga or Taylor can't cover tight ends or stay with RBs. The greatest quality a coach has is the ability to make adjustments on the field and in the film room. The elite coaches do it in both places. We haven't had an elite coach for a while.

How about SIGNING "a slowing safety"? Don't blame the coach. He didn't sign this stiff.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Our main problem, in my opinion, is that both our safeties are best in run support and hitting, they are too much alike. It was a mistake to bring in Manuel when we already had Collins, they aren't a good duo because they don't complement each other.

We should be using Manuel like Denver uses Lynch. Expecting a slowing safety to cover receivers is bad coaching. I would even let Manuel play some SSLB if it ends up Poppinga or Taylor can't cover tight ends or stay with RBs. The greatest quality a coach has is the ability to make adjustments on the field and in the film room. The elite coaches do it in both places. We haven't had an elite coach for a while.

How about SIGNING "a slowing safety"? Don't blame the coach. He didn't sign this stiff.

I see your point, and agree, but is Ted forcing Mike to play that safety over his draft pick? :shrug:

 

[Cory]

Over his 6th round draft pick that isn't making close to the kind of money that Manuel is making? I'd say it's a possiblity, but I'm not into conspiracy theories.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Over his 6th round draft pick that isn't making close to the kind of money that Manuel is making? I'd say it's a possiblity, but I'm not into conspiracy theories.

He hand picked Culver!!

 

[DakotaT]

Our main problem, in my opinion, is that both our safeties are best in run support and hitting, they are too much alike. It was a mistake to bring in Manuel when we already had Collins, they aren't a good duo because they don't complement each other.

We should be using Manuel like Denver uses Lynch. Expecting a slowing safety to cover receivers is bad coaching. I would even let Manuel play some SSLB if it ends up Poppinga or Taylor can't cover tight ends or stay with RBs. The greatest quality a coach has is the ability to make adjustments on the field and in the film room. The elite coaches do it in both places. We haven't had an elite coach for a while.

How about SIGNING "a slowing safety"? Don't blame the coach. He didn't sign this stiff.

Point taken De, but from what Manuel did on the field last year when Hamlin went down, he was a good choice. In hind sight though, it was too much money. We've had about a ten year cycle of being Santa Claus. Apply whichever GM you want, they all do it.

 

[porky88]

Manuel is good against the run and bad against the pass. It's pretty obvious. I wish Green Bay would have the coaching to utilize Manuel against the run and bring Culver in against the pass. Cutting Mark Roman was a mistake as he could of been that sub in SS on nickel and dime packages.

 

[DakotaT]

Manuel is good against the run and bad against the pass. It's pretty obvious. I wish Green Bay would have the coaching to utilize Manuel against the run and bring Culver in against the pass. Cutting Mark Roman was a mistake as he could of been that sub in SS on nickel and dime packages.

Porky, was Roman cut before or after Underwood got hurt? If it was before, I agree with getting rid of Roman.

 

[pyledriver80]

Really? Underwood didn't look very good at all in preseason before he got hurt

 

[DakotaT]

Really? Underwood didn't look very good at all in preseason before he got hurt

Well, I didn't actually see the practices, but the reports I read said he was about to earn the starting job. I know he wasn't up to speed last year, but it was reported a very noticeable improvement by Underwood.

 

[porky88]

Manuel is good against the run and bad against the pass. It's pretty obvious. I wish Green Bay would have the coaching to utilize Manuel against the run and bring Culver in against the pass. Cutting Mark Roman was a mistake as he could of been that sub in SS on nickel and dime packages.

Porky, was Roman cut before or after Underwood got hurt? If it was before, I agree with getting rid of Roman.

He was release before Underwood got hurt.

Although Underwood was receiving a lot of praise for his play in training camp before he got hurt. He was actually the talk of the defense and Greg Jennings was the talk of the offense.

With that said Roman was good against the pass and we new Manuel's weakness was the pass. In the right situations both could of helped us. Manuel has helped against the run but his play against the pass is as bad as Roman's is against the run. So releasing Roman was done prematurely in my opinion.

 

[Cory]

Really? Underwood didn't look very good at all in preseason before he got hurt

Are you serious? Underwood got hurt on the very first defensive series in preseason. Holy smokes are you quick to judge.

 

[GakkofNorway]

He isn't judging, he is guessing stuff he doesn't know jack**** about and hopes that nobody discovers it. Common thing in these kind of forums

 

[Cory]

Over his 6th round draft pick that isn't making close to the kind of money that Manuel is making? I'd say it's a possiblity, but I'm not into conspiracy theories.

He hand picked Culver!!

And Culver was a long shot to make the team at first. Manuel is making alot more money and was expected to be the starter. I personally think Culver has way more upside and I wish underwood wouldn't have gotten hurt because he may have unseated Manuel.

 

[Cory]

He isn't judging, he is guessing stuff he doesn't know jack**** about and hopes that nobody discovers it. Common thing in these kind of forums

That was still pretty bad. His hated for TT must know no bounds.

 

[GakkofNorway]

Personally I know Culver will get his chance, maybe not before the end of this season or next season, but he will get it.

 

[Cory]

Personally I know Culver will get his chance, maybe not before the end of this season or next season, but he will get it.

Hopefully we are smart enough to be that team that gives him a chance or else he goes elsewhere and we lose out on potentially a very good player.

 

[pyledriver80]

Excuse me, but he did play in the Televised scrimmage. He didn't look very good, sorry.


And Gakk you don't know jack**** about anything so please keep your opinions to yourself

 

[GakkofNorway]

I'm not gonna get down with you pyle, forget about it.

And btw, listen to this:

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

 

[Cory]

Excuse me, but he did play in the Televised scrimmage. He didn't look very good, sorry.


And Gakk you don't know jack**** about anything so please keep your opinions to yourself

Lol I take it you are afriad of debate with Gakk. Anyways, you base your judgement off of a televised scrimmage. Ironic you tell someone else they don't know "jackshit about anything"......

 

[GakkofNorway]

Excuse me, but he did play in the Televised scrimmage. He didn't look very good, sorry.


And Gakk you don't know jack**** about anything so please keep your opinions to yourself

About the scrimmage, you can't judge anyone based on that. If it's true, that Underwood was "the talk of the defense", he must have done something right. Did you watch him practice every day like the coaches did?

 

[pyledriver80]

First off I quit watching Star Wars along time ago Gakk, so please explain what that means?


Secondly Cory I didn't hear he was the "talk of the defense". Provide me a link please.

I also was using the "you don't know jack**** comment as a comeback to his little childish rant.


You want to debate it thats fine but Gakk would rather resort to childish comments instead, par for the course on here.

I ask you when the last time you saw Underwood play well? Not what you heard, what you saw. I eagerly await your response