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Our new offense

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by paxvogel, Mar 29, 2006.

  1. paxvogel

    paxvogel Cheesehead

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    Anyone have any idea what kind of offensive scheme we can expect with the new coach. Especially what kind of guards will we need, do they pull, are they small or big, etc. Max Jean Giles is highest rated guard on many boards but is huge and won't fit a scheme with a lot of movement expected from OG.
     
  2. bozz_2006

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    i'm not gonna pretend like i know alot about the blocking schemes but i do know that MM will implement a zone blocking scheme where everyone is responsible for a particular area instead of just covering a man, and he values athleticism and agility over size.
     
  3. digsthepack

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    It has been reiterated many places that MM is going back to a more pure version of the WCO. Finally we will have a use for our TEs again. Donald Lee better understand the opportunity that lays ahead. Bubba I know will show up and perform, if Lee adds his skills to the mix, it could be real fun to watch and play.
     
  4. warhawk

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    Some of the key elements include not changing the blocking scheme week in-week out depending on the type of defense being faced.

    The "O" line is not asked to pull but generally the whole line will slant in one direction and the lineman will be asked to get on the first defender and also recognize when to double-team.

    The "O" lineman do not have to be huge. Denver and Atlanta averaged like 298lbs and 301lbs. Don't have to have great 40 times but look for guys with agility and excel in the cone drills.

    The offense is set up for a power running back with good vision and cut back ablility. The flowing motion of the line all moving at the same angle will create cut back opportunities.

    Cut back opportunities sets up for big gain plays when you get the "D" flowing one way and the RB is angling back making the tackle much more difficult. The theory behind this scheme is to create those cut backs.

    Sounds ideal for Ahmand Green. He's got great patience and vision. Can't wait to see him work in this scheme.
     
  5. DakotaT

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    And if I may, Warhawk, when this running game is not able to be stopped by 7 guys, the eighth the SS has to come up. This will allow for Favre to have play action and roll out passes.

    Denver's offense is really a thing of beauty. The problem lately is that when another team shuts down their running game, they don't have the quarterback to carry them. The same thing goes for Atlanta.

    Green Bay might struggle right away with learning the scheme, but in the long run, this zone blocking system will be a thing of beauty for us.

    I totally agree with the point about Green. Gado should do well also. Poop seems more like a hit the hole running type of back that always leaves him succeptible to the big hit. He also runs too high.
     
  6. bozz_2006

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    well done, sirs.
     
  7. porky88

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    Max Jean-Giles isn't the highest rated guard in this draft. Charles Spencer has really climbed the charts and Nick Mangold is the top interior lineman in this draft.

    Jean-Giles doesn't fit the zone scheme at all. Zone scheme requires smaller and quicker lineman. See Denver for example. Jean-Giles is pushing 350 (Senior Bowl weight in) and is not the best at moving.
     
  8. tromadz

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    our OC and HC have also been described as "Creative" so hopefully it wont be so repeitive and predictable like ol sherms offense.
     
  9. DePack

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    How do we know this? Our OC has never been an OC and our HC has never been an HC.

    Speculation is fun!
     
  10. tromadz

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    you don't read, do you? Thats a shame, because most of us read up on our new OC and HC when they were signed (most of us were like 'who the hell are these guys' )

    But you didnt...thats sad. What a good Packer fan you are. Or not. That's sad. You're sad. You're even starting to sadden me. awww.

    Is ignorance fun? let me know.
     
  11. DePack

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    hehhehehe....he's gonna blow!!! :lol:
     
  12. pyledriver80

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    I am a big fan a zone blocking. You will see alot of chop blocks on the non-playside as well. Zone blocking is dirty thing thats why Denver O-Lineman are considered dirty by most. It is very effective if done correctly especially on a cutback which is more likely to spring a long run opposed to a smashmouth 3-4 yard gain
     
  13. warhawk

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    The chop is a part of this scheme. The reason for the chop is to get the backside D lineman on the ground and not filling the seam that the RB is looking for on the cut back.
    The chop keeps the backside guys from flowing right into the cutback.
     
  14. dannychau22

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    Jean-gilles would not fit.
    Davin joesph would be the best fit in round 2 or maybe 3rd.
    If you look at Denver's oline you would see the type of lineman we need. they don't have a guard over like 315
     
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    You're right about Davin Joseph. I'm surprised I haven't seen any mock drafts showing the Packers taking him. I think there is a good chance TT grabs him, especially if he continues to focus on defense in free agency.
     
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    Nick Mangold would be a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme as well. I think he's worth a round 2 pick. Best interior lineman in the draft. Can play C or guard.
     
  17. gado35

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    "While all signs suggest that by waiting this long Favre intends on playing in 2006, he’s also watching the team’s offseason moves to make sure the Packers aren’t in store for struggles similar to last year’s 4-12 season."

    That is something i read from packersnews.com

    i think our team has made decent upgrades on our defense but as far as our offense goes, i have seen absolutely no improvement. Does anyone know if we are looking or does TT think that the offense is set? Im just confused by TT because he doesnt seem to be making effort towards improving the offense.
     
  18. route25

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    The OC has stated he believes there is more talent here on the Offensive line than he had in Atlanta. I think it is clear the offensive staff believe they can get more out of the personnel available than Sherman/Rossley did. I agree. I think Sherman made mistakes in terms of who should be starting on the interior line.
     
  19. tromadz

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    our offense looks like this

    QB: Favre (under contract til he retires)
    RB: Green\Gado\Davenport
    FB: Henderson
    WR: Driver\Gardner\Boreigter\Ferguson\Javon(or javons replacement..MOULDS!)
    TE:Franks\Donny Lee

    Those are solid as rock. THe javon think will work itself out. He'll play, or we trade, but regardless we get a WR in there(moulds).

    our offensive line looks like this

    Clifton/______/Wells/Tauscher/Barry

    Tauscher has been rumored to move to RG and barry to RT

    the only thing on that line thats no good is the LG spot. We need an LG, and will get one somehow(if we dont, ill kill TT myself). The RG spot is a little weak, but whitticker is stil in the picture for that, who was a rookie who did an ok job being thrown to the wolves. RG is a LOT better than LG right now...

    and theres still LOADS of time to fix that line

    I like our offense.
     
  20. gado35

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    Who is GB rumored to be interested for the LG spot? Because i think doing that would really help put Favre mind at ease a little more.
     
  21. dannychau22

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    Alot of people has mangold going before the packers pick in the second. I would rather have greg eslinger who was in a zone blocking scheme at minnesota. He can be gotten in the 3rd/4th.
     
  22. tromadz

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    there are no good LGs left (there was only 1, and he got a record offer)

    draft or trade
     
  23. gado35

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    why not trade javon for one? we already have driver/ferguson/gardner at WR. That is not phenomenal but it is solid.
     
  24. tromadz

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    id be fine with that, but if its a good LG, most teams wont give it up, unless have have 0 talented WRs.

    time will tell
     
  25. DePack

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    I like everything but our interior line. I'm not sold on Barry at guard or Wells at center. I would also like to get a true #1 reeiver. I love Driver but I don't think he is a #1.
     

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