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<blockquote data-quote="Mondio" data-source="post: 880739" data-attributes="member: 10441"><p>the threat of being shot wasn't their "sole means" to alter behavior. </p><p></p><p>There is no video of what occurred within the first few minutes. I imagine they tried talking to him and you're right, it didn't de-escalate anything obviously. Sometimes people want the confrontation, outcomes be damned. Unlike some derelict on the street i've encountered a few times that I can just walk away from, police don't have the luxury of just walking away from someone that wants a fight. Especially when they've been called there specifically for this individuals involvement in a domestic dispute. </p><p></p><p>they couldn't physically restrain him. I'm not the ultimate warrior either, i'm middle aged. I could probably get away from a few people too if I wanted to. Not every cop needs to be the ultimate warrior either. Not every cop should be expected to wrestle every suspect to the ground either. further attempts? How many you want? </p><p></p><p>talking-didn't work</p><p></p><p>physical restraint-didn't work</p><p></p><p>suspect reportedly grabbed cop in headlock and took him to the ground</p><p></p><p>2 cops tried to restrain him and there is video of them in a struggle on the ground, all of them-didn't work</p><p></p><p>He got up, tried a taser-didn't work</p><p></p><p>at some point in all of this the taser was tried again but not sure when so I just inserted it here- didn't work</p><p></p><p>at this point officer draw weapons and one grabs him from behind, at this point the suspect either doesn't care what can happen to him or is just not able to control any aspect of his behavior in this state, which only makes it more dangerous for the police as he drags a cop into a car he's trying to get into. </p><p></p><p>oh, and he has a weapon.</p><p></p><p>Then he's shot.</p><p></p><p>I bet at any point Jake says, you know what, this won't end well and puts his hands up. We're not having this conversation. Even up to the point he opened his car door.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mondio, post: 880739, member: 10441"] the threat of being shot wasn't their "sole means" to alter behavior. There is no video of what occurred within the first few minutes. I imagine they tried talking to him and you're right, it didn't de-escalate anything obviously. Sometimes people want the confrontation, outcomes be damned. Unlike some derelict on the street i've encountered a few times that I can just walk away from, police don't have the luxury of just walking away from someone that wants a fight. Especially when they've been called there specifically for this individuals involvement in a domestic dispute. they couldn't physically restrain him. I'm not the ultimate warrior either, i'm middle aged. I could probably get away from a few people too if I wanted to. Not every cop needs to be the ultimate warrior either. Not every cop should be expected to wrestle every suspect to the ground either. further attempts? How many you want? talking-didn't work physical restraint-didn't work suspect reportedly grabbed cop in headlock and took him to the ground 2 cops tried to restrain him and there is video of them in a struggle on the ground, all of them-didn't work He got up, tried a taser-didn't work at some point in all of this the taser was tried again but not sure when so I just inserted it here- didn't work at this point officer draw weapons and one grabs him from behind, at this point the suspect either doesn't care what can happen to him or is just not able to control any aspect of his behavior in this state, which only makes it more dangerous for the police as he drags a cop into a car he's trying to get into. oh, and he has a weapon. Then he's shot. I bet at any point Jake says, you know what, this won't end well and puts his hands up. We're not having this conversation. Even up to the point he opened his car door. [/QUOTE]
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