One Big Draft Prediction

[warhawk]

I think at #16 we are just out of reach of the top players, from #16 and down in the first round the level of the players available is pretty much the same depending on position. I firmly believe we will trade down and I don't think Lynch or Meachem is worth picking at #16, the only player I could see slip to us that would be worth picking there is Leon Hall.

Agreed.

If Hall slips to #16 you grab him. We could use a quality #3 CB now and he has the shut down corner potential to replace Harris down the road.

NEVER let a really good corner get by. Especially since we have to hold our breath every time Woodson is involved in a play.

IMO we are a good #3 corner and a safety away from one of the better defenses in this league.

Now THAT would be getting a player worthy of the 16th pick AND filling a need at the same time.

 

[porky88]

I think at #16 we are just out of reach of the top players, from #16 and down in the first round the level of the players available is pretty much the same depending on position. I firmly believe we will trade down and I don't think Lynch or Meachem is worth picking at #16, the only player I could see slip to us that would be worth picking there is Leon Hall.

There are only about six to seven top players in the Draft. After that there are a bunch of the upper echelon guys and then you get into the mid to late 1st round range.

I would agree that sitting right in the middle is not the greatest of places to be as you really have no idea what type of player will be available. It’s very possible that Lynch goes to the Bills and Olsen to the Panthers. Then the Pack are sitting scratching their heads.

 

[pyledriver80]

I think at #16 we are just out of reach of the top players, from #16 and down in the first round the level of the players available is pretty much the same depending on position. I firmly believe we will trade down and I don't think Lynch or Meachem is worth picking at #16, the only player I could see slip to us that would be worth picking there is Leon Hall.

There are only about six to seven top players in the Draft. After that there are a bunch of the upper echelon guys and then you get into the mid to late 1st round range.

I would agree that sitting right in the middle is not the greatest of places to be as you really have no idea what type of player will be available. It’s very possible that Lynch goes to the Bills and Olsen to the Panthers. Then the Pack are sitting scratching their heads.

I think the Panthers will go Safety. If the Panthers would take Olsen that might allow 1 of the Safeties to drop. I would be thrilled if that happened

 

[porky88]

I think at #16 we are just out of reach of the top players, from #16 and down in the first round the level of the players available is pretty much the same depending on position. I firmly believe we will trade down and I don't think Lynch or Meachem is worth picking at #16, the only player I could see slip to us that would be worth picking there is Leon Hall.

There are only about six to seven top players in the Draft. After that there are a bunch of the upper echelon guys and then you get into the mid to late 1st round range.

I would agree that sitting right in the middle is not the greatest of places to be as you really have no idea what type of player will be available. It’s very possible that Lynch goes to the Bills and Olsen to the Panthers. Then the Pack are sitting scratching their heads.

I think the Panthers will go Safety. If the Panthers would take Olsen that might allow 1 of the Safeties to drop. I would be thrilled if that happened

I don't hold Nelson in high regard like you but I certainly like him. I actually think he's one of the mid to late 1st round picks. I would not mind the Pack taking him. In fact someone said we are a nickel back and safety away from having a potentially pretty strong defense. If the Pack wanted to take Nelson at 16 and a CB on Day 1 as well I would be pretty happy as well as our defense would at least have the potential to be pretty darn good.

 

[pyledriver80]

I'm not in love with Nelson but if we stay at 16 I would prefer him over Lynch, Olsen, Jarrett, Meachem, Ginn, Etc.

I see those guys as mid to late first rounders. I see Nelson as an early to mid pick so I think that gives us the best value, at a position of need, at 16

 

[Pack93z]

To me, Nelson and Griffin are about equal, Nelson a little stronger in the coverage and Griffin a little more of a playmaker on the field and stronger at the Line of scrimmage. I think Griffin plays a little smarter on the field than Nelson. Just my opinion.

Love this time of year, everyone has an opinion

 

[porky88]

Griffin is awful in coverage. If the Pack were in need of a run stopping safety like Roy Williams then I'd be for Griffin but he's not a ball hawk and he's often out of position. I actually think he’s a poor mans Roy Williams.

Nelson really only had one big year and his experience is limited but he's solid in coverage and he's a playmaker with a lot of potential. I would take him over Griffin.

My dream scenario would be Eric Weddle in round 2. He’s one of my favorite prospects because he can do it all and return punts as well but he might not have the potential of a Nelson. Lynch, Weddle, and Patrick would have me doing cartwheels (if I could) across my house if the Pack end up with those 3 on Draft Day.

 

[OregonPackFan]

The Chiefs brought in Meachem for a workout, I could also see them trading up to snatch him before anyone else does.

 

[Pack93z]

Griffin is awful in coverage. If the Pack were in need of a run stopping safety like Roy Williams then I'd be for Griffin but he's not a ball hawk and he's often out of position. I actually think he’s a poor mans Roy Williams.
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Hmmm Griffin's not awful in coverage, is he suburb, no but definately not awful. As fars a ball wawk.. hmmm here is the list of turnover leaders in college...

Eric Weddle Utah S 27 2nd
Michael Griffin Texas S 24 1st
Josh Gattis Wake Forest S 23 4th
Sabby Piscitelli Oregon St S 19 3rd
Leon Hall Michigan CB 18 1st
John Wendling Wyoming S 16 4th
Daymeion Hughes California CB 15 2nd
LaMarr Woodley Michigan DE 15 2nd
Dan Bazuin Cent. Michigan DE 15 4th
Aaron Ross Texas CB 14 1st
Tony Taylor Georgia LB 13 5th
Anthony Spencer Purdue DE 13 1st
Rufus Alexander Oklahoma LB 13 3rd
Tim Crowder Texas DE 12 3rd

As a senior, Griffin earned second-team All-American and first-team All-Big 12 accolades. He again led the team from his free safety position, collecting a career-high 126 tackles (79 solos) with a sack, 3½ stops for losses and three pressures. He caused four fumbles, recovered two others and blocked two kicks. He deflected 10 passes and had four interceptions.

The guy just makes plays.

 

[OregonPackFan]

I love Eric Weddle as well and I think he can be a very good covering safety to complement Nick Collins (our hitting safety), he could also be a viable backup at CB.

He's a real football player and knows how to prepare himself.

Mr Preparation held Calvin Johnson to 2 catches for 19 yards in the Emerald Bowl.

 

[porky88]

Griffin is awful in coverage. If the Pack were in need of a run stopping safety like Roy Williams then I'd be for Griffin but he's not a ball hawk and he's often out of position. I actually think he’s a poor mans Roy Williams.
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Hmmm Griffin's not awful in coverage, is he suburb, no but definately not awful. As fars a ball wawk.. hmmm here is the list of turnover leaders in college...

Eric Weddle Utah S 27 2nd
Michael Griffin Texas S 24 1st
Josh Gattis Wake Forest S 23 4th
Sabby Piscitelli Oregon St S 19 3rd
Leon Hall Michigan CB 18 1st
John Wendling Wyoming S 16 4th
Daymeion Hughes California CB 15 2nd
LaMarr Woodley Michigan DE 15 2nd
Dan Bazuin Cent. Michigan DE 15 4th
Aaron Ross Texas CB 14 1st
Tony Taylor Georgia LB 13 5th
Anthony Spencer Purdue DE 13 1st
Rufus Alexander Oklahoma LB 13 3rd
Tim Crowder Texas DE 12 3rd

As a senior, Griffin earned second-team All-American and first-team All-Big 12 accolades. He again led the team from his free safety position, collecting a career-high 126 tackles (79 solos) with a sack, 3½ stops for losses and three pressures. He caused four fumbles, recovered two others and blocked two kicks. He deflected 10 passes and had four interceptions.

The guy just makes plays.

Where did Texas pass defense rank in the country?

Here is your top 50.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/team/passing_defense_byPASSYDS_PER_GAME.html

I think it was in the 80's. I‘m not putting it all on Griffin but he was a big reason why they struggled so much. Texas had a lot of guys who were out of position. Griffin being one of them. Maybe it was bad coaching but I wouldn‘t doubt Texas‘ coaching staff.

Griffin is out of position a lot of the time. I've watched enough on him to come to the conclusion that he is a great run stopper but a below average (awful may of been extreme) pass defender.

He has the potential to be a playmaker but he’ll need a lot of coaching to improve his ability to defend the pass. I think he’s a late 1st round pick because of his potential and he worked out well but the weak part of his game is playing the pass specifically the deep ball. That’s why I bring up the Roy Williams comparison. Roy Williams is not good against the pass. In fact he’s very average but he’s amazing in the run support. Griffin is almost a copy of Williams in those regards. He’s not the prospect Williams was coming out but he does have a lot of similarities. I think the Packers are in position were they don’t need the run support but rather someone who can defend the deep ball. That’s where I agree with Pyle because Nelson can definitely defend the deep ball.

 

[Pack93z]

So you have the #3 rushing defense in the country, would you thry to pass on them or run on that D? The games I watched they spread the field on the them and threw lots of underneath stuff, Griffin was playing close to the line of scrimmage to help protect the run. But I would agree that with having three potential first day picks they should have been more productive.

 

[Pack93z]

I love this time of the year, everybody sees players different and the beauty is it is hard to prove whom is right

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2007/feature041607.htm

“(Texas S) Michael Griffin is a good player. He’s the second safety on our board behind (LSU FS LaRon) Landry. He’s smarter than (Florida FS Reggie) Nelson, and his character is much better than (Miami FS Brandon) Meriweather. He worked out better than both of them at the Combine. He’s more physical than either. He’s the best of all of them on special teams. He’s got a lot of value. I don’t think he will last very long. I think someone will take him in the middle of the first round.”

 

[dhpackr]

Packers draft D.Jarrett and M. Bush two proven players who are going to be great pros.

I don't care what these guys 40 times are, they are big guys who make big plays and the Packers will be much improved w/the addition of these two players.

One of the biggest weaknesses of the '06 Packers was their inability to score in the red zone.

 

[rundemc]

Packers draft D.Jarrett and M. Bush two proven players who are going to be great pros.

I don't care what these guys 40 times are, they are big guys who make big plays and the Packers will be much improved w/the addition of these two players.

One of the biggest weaknesses of the '06 Packers was their inability to score in the red zone.

I dont think u can consider M. Bush a proven player especially with his injury. He was really only the featured back at Louisville for a year and a half or so

 

[porky88]

Eric Weddle and Eric Wright will be 1st round picks. Those are my two big sleepers this year so I guess that's my bold prediction. That and AP falling.

 

[dhpackr]

Packers draft D.Jarrett and M. Bush two proven players who are going to be great pros.

I don't care what these guys 40 times are, they are big guys who make big plays and the Packers will be much improved w/the addition of these two players.

One of the biggest weaknesses of the '06 Packers was their inability to score in the red zone.

I dont think u can consider M. Bush a proven player especially with his injury. He was really only the featured back at Louisville for a year and a half or so

Bush had 150 yards in the first half in the game he was injured in. If He stayed healthy he has a shot at the Heisman

 

[retiredgrampa]

I see a trade down in the first, we snare Weddle at #1, Leonard and Patrick in the second. Three big upgrades with real FOOTBALL players. And VERSATILITY with the first two. Very important when a team has so many weaknesses. I wouldn't be surprised if we got Kris Jenkins in a trade. I can't do cartwheels either, Porky, but I'd be tempted to try.

 

[OregonPackFan]

I doubt Weddle is going to be picked in the 1st round, that would be a major reach. Probably the reach of the draft.

 

[pyledriver80]

Packers draft D.Jarrett and M. Bush two proven players who are going to be great pros.

I don't care what these guys 40 times are, they are big guys who make big plays and the Packers will be much improved w/the addition of these two players.

One of the biggest weaknesses of the '06 Packers was their inability to score in the red zone.

I agree. We need a big WR in the Red zone more importantly than someone who can stretch the field.

 

[Tiger]

Jarrett is by all accounts will be a terrible professional. i cant see the packers even looking at him. id rather get Gonzo or Ginn

 

[Pack93z]

Jarrett is by all accounts will be a terrible professional. i cant see the packers even looking at him. id rather get Gonzo or Ginn

Really, what would give you that impression? Lack of speed, Herman Moore was about Jarrett's size and speed, and they both had comparable college careers and both make the highlight type catch. Jerry Rice had almost the exact same speed.

Is it that he is a USC product? Does he remind you of Mike Williams?

He might not be the best WR comming out this year and a reach in terms of the draft board at #16, but to say he going to be terrible makes me wonder why?

 

[digsthepack]

If the Packers really deisreto bolster their WR group, I see them trading down to the early - mid 20s, receiving appropriate compensation for the move, and selecting Bowe out of LSU.

Meacham is timid over the middle, which will not work in our offense. Ginn is not much more than a glorified return specialist who could look good against college kids as a WR...slight of build and a durability issue waiting to happen. Bowe has high 4.4 - low 4.5 speed, improved hands after corrective eye surgery, and is tough as nails and a more than capable blocker.

Or, we stay at 16 and take Revis or Hall.

I also like Weddle in the 2nd.

Bold Prediction: I have none!!

 

[porky88]

Jarrett is by all accounts will be a terrible professional. i cant see the packers even looking at him. id rather get Gonzo or Ginn

Really, what would give you that impression? Lack of speed, Herman Moore was about Jarrett's size and speed, and they both had comparable college careers and both make the highlight type catch. Jerry Rice had almost the exact same speed.

Is it that he is a USC product? Does he remind you of Mike Williams?

He might not be the best WR comming out this year and a reach in terms of the draft board at #16, but to say he going to be terrible makes me wonder why?

Jarrett is soft. You press him you take him off his game and he struggles. If he can improve on that he can become a very good pro. However he's not worth the 16th pick in the Draft. If the Pack take him then trade down for him in my opinion.

 

[Pack93z]

Jarrett is by all accounts will be a terrible professional. i cant see the packers even looking at him. id rather get Gonzo or Ginn

Really, what would give you that impression? Lack of speed, Herman Moore was about Jarrett's size and speed, and they both had comparable college careers and both make the highlight type catch. Jerry Rice had almost the exact same speed.

Is it that he is a USC product? Does he remind you of Mike Williams?

He might not be the best WR comming out this year and a reach in terms of the draft board at #16, but to say he going to be terrible makes me wonder why?

Jarrett is soft. You press him you take him off his game and he struggles. If he can improve on that he can become a very good pro. However he's not worth the 16th pick in the Draft. If the Pack take him then trade down for him in my opinion.

Yep, that is why I said he was a reach in the last sentence at 16. Big target and good hands.