OLB Situation / Interesting Waiver wire prospects

[sschind]

The Patriots sign guys like this only to cut them shortly thereafter all the time. The instances where they stick and produce are much rarer. They like to throw a lot of stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

They have how many SB appearances? Maybe its not such a bad strategy after all.

And before you reply I will anticipate your rebuttal...its not likely that signing marginal at best free agents has contributed greatly to the Patriots successes.

I'm just saying there are worse teams to emulate than the New England Patriots.

But you are right. It's like BB treats that last roster spot as a drive through.

 

[Dantés]

They have how many SB appearances? Maybe its not such a bad strategy after all.

And before you reply I will anticipate your rebuttal...its not likely that signing marginal at best free agents has contributed greatly to the Patriots successes.

I'm just saying there are worse teams to emulate than the New England Patriots.

But you are right. It's like BB treats that last roster spot as a drive through.

I'm not criticizing the strategy. I think there's a lot of merit to it. I was just pointing out what normally happens as it was suggested that BB will hold on to him all season. And he might. But he might cut him tomorrow. Neither would surprise me.

 

[Mondio]

Green Bay has a lot of turnover at those spots too. It's never set after cut downs and unchanging. There will be changes weekly most likely. Guys come and go, but thankfully we aren't sending bonafide starters to teams for players they're going to cut and ones we'd probably cut eventually anyway

 

[HardRightEdge]

I liked the Brooks the signing, I think he was a better player by a good margin even with the age difference.

I thought so too. However, he suffered from a bad back all season, missing 4 games, in and out, 38% snap count despite Perry's and Matthews' missed time, fewer snaps than Fackrell.

So, Thompson might have brought in two FAs with pre-existing issues.

 

[swhitset]

LOL.....if you don't recognize that my responses were directly correlated to your posts, than we are done here, yours on the other hand, were not. As far as "lightening it up", I love to battle wits, but not with an unarmed man.

I would enjoy that... the only problem is that we seem to agree more often than not lol.

 

[XPack]

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[Pokerbrat2000]

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Maybe its just my memory, but wasn't Brady Poppinga basically a Fackerell kind of player for the Packers? Seems like a retired guy with a selective memory of his impact on the game.

 

[MassPackersFan]

Fackrell is just that bad.

 

[Dantés]

Fackrell made this team based on ST ability. I'm guessing if you gave the staff truth serum, that's what you'd find out. And that's fine-- you need back of the roster linebackers who provide a foundation for KR/PR and coverage teams. But you also need to rotate in outside linebackers. Fackrell only saw 4 snaps against Chicago and he managed in those 4 to put at least one awful play on tape in four tries that I noticed. You need competence down the depth chart at that position. However, I think they would priority linebacker movement skills over pure edge rush ability, given the way that Pettine runs his defense. Simon has been the common name and I'd still really like to see it, but Albert McClellan might be another veteran who could fit.

 

[sschind]

I'm not criticizing the strategy. I think there's a lot of merit to it. I was just pointing out what normally happens as it was suggested that BB will hold on to him all season. And he might. But he might cut him tomorrow. Neither would surprise me.

I know Dantes, I was just making an observation and a comment on the genius of BB. Really the main point to take from it is that BB is willing to take a chance on someone who might help and if they don't he moves on. He treats that last roster spot almost as its a necessary evil and he can't wait to get rid of the guy occupying it so he can bring the next guy in. If he cuts Coleman next week who is next? Can't be Mychal Kendricks since the Seahawks got him but who takes Coleman's spot.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yup, I am kind of tired of keeping "this JAG or that JAG" strictly because they do fine on special teams AND because they were a draft pick of the Packers. I understand you can't have a roster of 53 guys who are all quality starters, but if a guy is never going to make the grade as an offensive or defensive player, time to move on, unless his special teams play is way above average. TT seemed to like to hang on to old scraps in this way, hoping that eventually the player would develop and I hope Gute bucks the trend. Antonio Morrison is such a guy I like to see on the Packers. While he may never be a Pro Bowl ILB, he is very capable of playing the position as well as special teams.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Can't be Mychal Kendricks since the Seahawks got him but who takes Coleman's spot.

Bummed to read that, I think he would have been a solid pickup. His black mark is the insider trader charges he is facing in January, but the guy can play and is only 28.

 

[McKnowledge]

Is Wright going to play over Burks, Morrison, or Toomer? I doubt it. So then, having a good ST’s guy matters.

And Bill Belicheck, he cares about ST demons a lot. They’re an important part that good teams always have.

Corey Coleman sucks. Trading Cobb for Coleman is just...I really don’t have words. It’s stupid. I can’t believe it’s real. Coleman couldn’t get play for Cleveland or Buffalo, but we should trade Cobb for him. Frickin brilliant.

Who said anything about Wright playing over them? I've just been arguing for kicks and giggles.

I know "ST demons" are important. I'm glad Belickeck cares...warms my heart. But what about "ST angels"?

Now, Coleman does not suck. He's not on Cobb's level, but I think he has a lot of potential. Its a forum, I'm entitled as anybody to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

 

[McKnowledge]

LOL.....if you don't recognize that my responses were directly correlated to your posts, than we are done here, yours on the other hand, were not. As far as "lightening it up", I love to battle wits, but not with an unarmed man.

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[Mondio]

He's not at Cobbs level but let's trade him for him? That's a good team building strategy. And if you're throwing stuff, don't be surprised when stuff gets pointed out as the stuff it is.

 

[Dantés]

I know Dantes, I was just making an observation and a comment on the genius of BB. Really the main point to take from it is that BB is willing to take a chance on someone who might help and if they don't he moves on. He treats that last roster spot almost as its a necessary evil and he can't wait to get rid of the guy occupying it so he can bring the next guy in. If he cuts Coleman next week who is next? Can't be Mychal Kendricks since the Seahawks got him but who takes Coleman's spot.

I don't think that's a bad point. It just wasn't evident from your comment that BB would keep Coleman all year and get a 6th rd comp pick when he signs elsewhere after the season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For lack of a better place to put this, as well an not wanting it to get much traction and turn into another Mack post, I found this article so comical, I have to wonder if the author is legit or he wrote it satirically?

Why would the Packers want to trade for Le'Veon Bell and give up what would no doubt be a first rounder and perhaps more plus a pile of cash (Bell wants $17M)? Yes, he is/was a great RB, but much like Mack, the pick might be worth it, but IMO not the salary. Some might argue that the Packers are too one dimensional on offense by relying heavy on the passing game, but when you have AR at QB, why not? It seems to work well and anything we get out of the running game is just gravy. I'm fine with Williams, Jones and Monty....their combined salaries is around $2M.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...opinions-packers-should-trade-for-leveon-bell

 

[Dantés]

For lack of a better place to put this, as well an not wanting it to get much traction and turn into another Mack post, I found this article so comical, I have to wonder if the author is legit or he wrote it satirically?

Why would the Packers want to trade for Le'Veon Bell and give up what would no doubt be a first rounder and perhaps more plus a pile of cash (Bell wants $17M)? Yes, he is/was a great RB, but much like Mack, the pick might be worth it, but IMO not the salary. Some might argue that the Packers are too one dimensional on offense by relying heavy on the passing game, but when you have AR at QB, why not? It seems to work well and anything we get out of the running game is just gravy. I'm fine with Williams, Jones and Monty....their combined salaries is around $2M.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...opinions-packers-should-trade-for-leveon-bell

Over my dead body should they trade a premium pick and then pay big money for a running back who has five seasons of heavy work on his body and is currently coming off 836 touches over the last two seasons.

After being suspended for the first 4 games of 2016, the Steelers gave him an enormous workload. Including playoffs, he averaged 27 touches/game for 15 straight games. The following season, 2017, his YPA dropped from 4.9 to 4.0 and his YPR dropped from 8.2 to 7.7. During that season, 17 games including playoffs, he averaged 25 touches/per-- so nearly the same heavy workload. What do you think will happen to his efficiency numbers now? Before he held out into the regular season, I was expecting a season under 4 yards per carry.

You just don't put that kind of load on a back and have them maintain efficiency.

Aaron Jones was fantastic last season and it escaped national notice because of the lost season. On a per touch basis, he was better than Dalvin Cook. I persist that he is better than Dalvin Cook. Time will tell. But that's the RB reinforcement you want, and he's on the way-- a 23 year old with only 90 NFL touches to his name.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Over my dead body should they trade a premium pick and then pay big money for a running back who has five seasons of heavy work on his body and is currently coming off 836 touches over the last two seasons.

After being suspended for the first 4 games of 2016, the Steelers gave him an enormous workload. Including playoffs, he averaged 27 touches/game for 15 straight games. The following season, 2017, his YPA dropped from 4.9 to 4.0 and his YPR dropped from 8.2 to 7.7. During that season, 17 games including playoffs, he averaged 25 touches/per-- so nearly the same heavy workload. What do you think will happen to his efficiency numbers now? Before he held out into the regular season, I was expecting a season under 4 yards per carry.

You just don't put that kind of load on a back and have them maintain efficiency.

Aaron Jones was fantastic last season and it escaped national notice because of the lost season. On a per touch basis, he was better than Dalvin Cook. I persist that he is better than Dalvin Cook. Time will tell. But that's the RB reinforcement you want, and he's on the way-- a 23 year old with only 90 NFL touches to his name.

Glad I am not the only one who thinks that this reporter is off his rocker! Steelers are in a pickle for sure, James Connors is looking good so why shell out that kind of money to Bell? I'm getting so tired of these "pay me or else guys". If I am the Rooney family and GM Colbert, I am saying "have a nice non-paid year La'Veon, we don't need you". Sounds like the Steeler players as well as the Steeler fans are siding towards "we don't need you" as well.

 

[Dantés]

Glad I am not the only one who thinks that this reporter is off his rocker! Steelers are in a pickle for sure, James Connors is looking good so why shell out that kind of money to Bell? I'm getting so tired of these "pay me or else guys". If I am the Rooney family and GM Colbert, I am saying "have a nice non-paid year La'Veon, we don't need you". Sounds like the Steeler players as well as the Steeler fans are siding towards "we don't need you" as well.

I don't think they're in a pickle at all. Their offensive production has never suffered without Bell. There's a lot of data to indicate that his excellence is as much to do with their line and offense as it is him. A 33 year old DeAngelo Williams was amazing in that offense, and now James Conner has come in and, through one game, been great himself. And while it is only one game, he was great all camp too.

Since 2015, without Bell the Steelers have a better record (11-4-1 vs. 23-10), more points per game (29 vs. 24), more yards per game (415 vs. 469), and a better 3rd down % (43 vs. 41).

Now Bell is in a bad spot. While the Steelers are advertising that he may not be as transcendent as he's seemed at times, he is advertising that he might be a headache for any franchise to deal with. He thought he was going to hold out and improve his bargaining position or make him more marketable as a guy with less wear and tear. He's actually devaluing himself to the league.

 

[GleefulGary]

Paying RB’s big money is almost always a losing game.

 

[GleefulGary]

I don't think they're in a pickle at all. Their offensive production has never suffered without Bell. There's a lot of data to indicate that his excellence is as much to do with their line and offense as it is him. A 33 year old DeAngelo Williams was amazing in that offense, and now James Conner has come in and, through one game, been great himself. And while it is only one game, he was great all camp too.

Since 2015, without Bell the Steelers have a better record (11-4-1 vs. 23-10), more points per game (29 vs. 24), more yards per game (415 vs. 469), and a better 3rd down % (43 vs. 41).

Now Bell is in a bad spot. While the Steelers are advertising that he may not be as transcendent as he's seemed at times, he is advertising that he might be a headache for any franchise to deal with. He thought he was going to hold out and improve his bargaining position or make him more marketable as a guy with less wear and tear. He's actually devaluing himself to the league.

I sincerely hope he holds out the whole year. I need Conner to get me points.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

By Pickle, I meant the Steelers have a really good player, who they may end up only seeing a compensatory pick for.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I sincerely hope he holds out the whole year. I need Conner to get me points.

Pretty sure Bell is quietly wishing the complete opposite of you in regards to Connor.

 

[gopkrs]

Will he then be a free agent or could they tab him again?