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  17. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
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  20. INSERT INTO xf_bb_code_parse_cache
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    Params: post, 406270, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";N;s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:7:"[QUOTE]";i:1;s:8:"[/QUOTE]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:671:"In some ways I get a little sick of the reputation that the Lions DL, and team, has gotten. They don't play dirty. They are tough and they get their occasional penalties, but so does every other team. Some how they've gotten this reputation and then every thing gets put under a microscope. The Carolina game is a perfect example: Carolina gets a horse collar penalty. Color commentary guy: "Can't do that... that's another 15 yards for the Lions. Dumb penalty there." Later in the game, the Lions get a horse collar penalty. Color commentary guy: "Now this is showing the Lions lack of discipline. That lack of discipline will hurt your team if you can't reel it in." ";}}i:1;s:903:" You know, I agree with you to an extent. I don't know if I'd say they're dirty, but you have to admit they walk that fine line between tackling and hitting HARD and delivering cheap shots. Take for instance Suh's hit on Cutler a couple of weeks ago (didn't see any of the panthers/lions game). The play where Suh ripped off Cutler's helmet when tackling him. Cutler was running so he's fair game as a running back and the tackle was legit, but i thought the little extra helmet rip at the end was excessive. When the Lions make sacks or hits on the QB they hit them hard (fine) but a lot of times there's that little extra "drive them into the ground" move afterward. I feel like there's kindof an unspoken rule that, "you hit hard but try not to injure". And I get the feeling from the lions that they don't go out of their way to injure players, but they don't try to avoid injuring players either.";}, 1458829234, 1462547244
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  33. library/sonnb/XenGallery/Listener.php
  34. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Init.php
  35. library/XenForo/Router.php
  36. library/XenForo/Route/Filter.php
  37. library/XenForo/Route/Interface.php
  38. library/XenForo/Route/ResponseSuffix.php
  39. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix.php
  40. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Threads.php
  41. library/XenForo/RouteMatch.php
  42. library/XenForo/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  43. library/XenForo/ControllerPublic/Abstract.php
  44. library/XenForo/Controller.php
  45. library/ModerateCountry/RegisterListener.php
  46. library/EWRporta2/Widget/Listener/ArticlesMain.php
  47. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Listener.php
  48. library/Dark/PostRating/EventListener.php
  49. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Controller.php
  50. library/FreePro/XenForo/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  51. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  52. library/sonnb/XenGallery/XenForo/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  53. library/EWRporta2/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  54. library/XenForo/Input.php
  55. library/XenForo/Session.php
  56. library/Zend/Db.php
  57. library/Zend/Db/Adapter/Mysqli.php
  58. library/Zend/Db/Adapter/Abstract.php
  59. library/Zend/Db/Select.php
  60. library/Zend/Db/Expr.php
  61. library/Zend/Db/Profiler.php
  62. library/Zend/Db/Statement/Mysqli.php
  63. library/Zend/Db/Statement.php
  64. library/Zend/Db/Statement/Interface.php
  65. library/XenForo/Helper/Ip.php
  66. library/XenForo/Visitor.php
  67. library/XenForo/Model/User.php
  68. library/ThemeHouse/JoinUserGroup/Listener/LoadClass.php
  69. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/LoadClass.php
  70. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/LoadClass/20150518.php
  71. library/Dark/TaigaChat/EventListener/Listener.php
  72. library/sonnbThreadMassActions/Listener.php
  73. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Model.php
  74. library/ThemeHouse/JoinUserGroup/Extend/XenForo/Model/User.php
  75. library/Dark/PostRating/Model/User.php
  76. library/bdTagMe/XenForo/Model/User.php
  77. library/sonnb/XenGallery/XenForo/Model/User.php
  78. library/EWRporta2/Model/User.php
  79. library/Zend/Db/Profiler/Query.php
  80. library/XenForo/Permission.php
  81. library/XenForo/Helper/Php.php
  82. library/XenForo/Phrase.php
  83. library/XenForo/Locale.php
  84. library/Sedo/DetectBrowser/Listener/Visitor.php
  85. library/Sedo/DetectBrowser/Helper/MobileDetect.php
  86. library/EWRporta2/Model/Perms.php
  87. library/ThemeHouse/JoinUserGroup/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch.php
  88. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch.php
  89. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch/20150911.php
  90. library/UnreadPostCount/Listener.php
  91. library/XenForo/ControllerHelper/ForumThreadPost.php
  92. library/XenForo/ControllerHelper/Abstract.php
  93. library/XenForo/Model/Thread.php
  94. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/Thread.php
  95. library/Dark/PostRating/Model/Thread.php
  96. library/sonnbThreadMassActions/Model/Thread.php
  97. library/UnreadPostCount/Model/Thread.php
  98. library/Dark/PostRating/Model.php
  99. library/XenForo/Model/Forum.php
  100. library/XenForo/Helper/String.php
  101. library/XenForo/Helper/Discussion.php
  102. library/XenForo/Model/Post.php
  103. library/Dark/PostRating/Model/Post.php
  104. library/sonnbThreadMassActions/Model/Post.php
  105. library/EWRporta2/Model/Post.php
  106. library/EWRporta2/Model/Articles.php
  107. library/XenForo/Model/Attachment.php
  108. library/XenForo/Model/Node.php
  109. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/Node.php
  110. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Categories.php
  111. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Forums.php
  112. library/XenForo/ControllerResponse/View.php
  113. library/XenForo/ControllerResponse/Abstract.php
  114. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/IgnoreThread.php
  115. library/XenForo/Helper/Cookie.php
  116. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/HtmlPublic.php
  117. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/Abstract.php
  118. library/XenForo/Template/Public.php
  119. library/XenForo/Template/Abstract.php
  120. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Thread/View.php
  121. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Base.php
  122. library/XenForo/View.php
  123. library/EWRporta2/Listener/ViewPublic.php
  124. library/XenForo/BbCode/Parser.php
  125. library/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  126. library/EWRporta2/Listener/BbCode.php
  127. library/bdTagMe/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  128. library/sonnb/XenGallery/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  129. library/EWRporta2/BbCode/Formatter.php
  130. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Helper/Message.php
  131. library/XenForo/BbCode/TextWrapper.php
  132. library/WhoHasVisited/Listener.php
  133. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Members.php
  134. library/bdTagMe/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Members.php
  135. library/Dark/TaigaChat/EventListener/NavigationTabs.php
  136. library/EWRporta2/Listener/NavTabs.php
  137. library/XenForo/Template/FileHandler.php
  138. library/XenForo/Helper/File.php
  139. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,thread_view.php
  140. library/SeparateStickyAndNormal/Listener.php
  141. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Template.php
  142. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,ignore_thread_tool.php
  143. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,page_nav.php
  144. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Posts.php
  145. library/XenForo/Model/Avatar.php
  146. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,dark_postrating_message_user_info.php
  147. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,bb_code_tag_quote.php
  148. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,dark_postrating.php
  149. library/XenForo/Helper/Criteria.php
  150. library/XenForo/Debug.php
  151. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,PAGE_CONTAINER.php
  152. library/FreePro/Helper.php
  153. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,EWRporta2_Navtabs.php
  154. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/Json.php