Not being horrible to Green Bay but the fans looked gutted

[Green_Bay_Packers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlVBM6bpCuQ

Plus also why do people say we want Quinn Listen i said that but the following Quotes made me change my mind

That's the problem fans think they know what's best for the team but they don't.People are already talking about some of the players they haven't even seen them play.

and there is this

Packer fans need to cool it. They got a great player. Harrell would have been a top ten pick and the top defensive tackle in the draft had he not gotten hurt. Oh, and he played in the biggest game of the year with a badly torn bicep muscle that he knew he was going to have surgery on. He is all heart will give to you what Tommie Harris has given to Chicago and Kevin Williams has given to Minnesota. Boo him after he makes the Pro Bowl in two years.

 

[warhawk]

I agree with this totally.

Harrell is the type of player the fits the scheme we use perfectly which means he will occupy "0" linemen making the LB's jobs that much easier and our whole "D" more effective.

Once you commit to a scheme it's a matter of getting the right players to make it work most affectively. This was all in mind on the offensive line when Flanny was let go for Wells and Spitz and Colledge and Moll were brought in.

This is also why we took the RB we took vs. other guys with names heard more often. It's called a committment to what you are doing and not looking at names or worrying about being deemed smart in the publics eye.

This is why so many draft classes ultimately turn out to be so surprisingly good. Obviously it's not surprising to those that picked them but to those who think they know more than those responsible for making these decisions.

When people make assumptions on what they feel is best and then not see presumed results then you see a reaction vs. a response to the results.

Just because fans convinced themselves who the right pick was and didn't see it happen doesn't make the pick wrong.

 

[Pack93z]

I can't speak for others, but I was not locked on one player or another. But if you look at the roster, the strongest argument or objection to the pick is that D-line is probably the deepest position on the team.

Point blank. Can we improve there, no doubt, but so could we at about every other position on the team where we are paper thin. Was there a RB there worthy of the pick, probably not. But almost all other skill positions had quality talent there.

To tell the truth, I like the pick, I just hope that the other spots on the roster were fulfilled.

 

[arrowgargantuan]

if the kid makes a noticeable difference all will be forgotten. if he gets hurt or stinks it up in one way or another, then Ted will get blasted...and rightfully so.

regardless everybody in their right mind should be pulling for this kid.

p.s. TT is gay.

 

[tromadz]

Re: Not being horrible to Green Bay but the fans looked gutt

p.s. TT is gay.

he sure is!

 

[Bertram]

can't be worse than Carroll, whom Sherman drafted and some of the people already blasting TT wishes Sherman was still here..

 

[Pack93z]

can't be worse than Carroll, whom Sherman drafted and some of the people already blasting TT wishes Sherman was still here..

That helped this thread...

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Sherman's drafting ability is envied by no one.

 

[Green_Bay_Packers]

Sorry to sound Stupid but who is Carrol?

 

[Mortfini]

Re: Not being horrible to Green Bay but the fans looked gutt

the guy who cost us the game against the eagles on monday night cos hecould not controll reggie brown

he was at the jags but was just cut for guns and drugs charges

 

[PackerGeek]

At what point do we stop justifying Thompsons picks by finding a worse one that Sherman made. If we are using him as our gold standard it's going to be a sorry couple of years.
I think Harrel will be a good player and probably a great player in the futur but if you weigh his talent against the needs we had on offense I don't see how he was the right pick. Lets say he shores up our defense the only thing that gets us is smaller shut out's then we had last year. We were awful on offense last year, particularly in the red zone where it counts. I really think this team would have benefitted more by bringing in an offensive weapon. I tend to think that the plan was to bring in Moss until the very end and TT simply overplayed his hand trying to get him for the lowest possible cost. I just hope that someone comes available between now and the start of the season who can fill the role. I know the O-line will have a nother year of experince and that should help, but I don't want to bank solely on them manageing to take things to the next level.

Forgive me if I'm rambling but I'm not feeling too well today so I'm taking some cold medicine

 

[BangTheDrum]

I hope Harrell dominates, and Im pretty confident that he will...eventually

 

[Packnic]

At what point do we stop justifying Thompsons picks by finding a worse one that Sherman made. If we are using him as our gold standard it's going to be a sorry couple of years.
I think Harrel will be a good player and probably a great player in the futur but if you weigh his talent against the needs we had on offense I don't see how he was the right pick. Lets say he shores up our defense the only thing that gets us is smaller shut out's then we had last year. We were awful on offense last year, particularly in the red zone where it counts. I really think this team would have benefitted more by bringing in an offensive weapon. I tend to think that the plan was to bring in Moss until the very end and TT simply overplayed his hand trying to get him for the lowest possible cost. I just hope that someone comes available between now and the start of the season who can fill the role. I know the O-line will have a nother year of experince and that should help, but I don't want to bank solely on them manageing to take things to the next level.

Forgive me if I'm rambling but I'm not feeling too well today so I'm taking some cold medicine

First of all... i think a standout DT paired up with the current D-line, doesnt just help the LBers. getting more pressure and getting more hands in the QBs face helps the DBs as well. your talking about the one guy on the defense that is most important on every down.. run or pass. it really all starts there, and if TT wanted to take another great DT with the first pick next year... i would not object. dont take that to mean, i know harrell will be great (cause i have no clue what he will do)

Second of all, on ESPN.com we are rumored to be the leader in the keyshawn johnson bidding... so we shall see if you get your offensive endzone weapon yet... dont freak out just yet.

seventhly, Bangthedrum is a freakin great screen name.

 

[Packnic]

I agree with this totally.

Harrell is the type of player the fits the scheme we use perfectly which means he will occupy "0" linemen making the LB's jobs that much easier and our whole "D" more effective.

Once you commit to a scheme it's a matter of getting the right players to make it work most affectively. This was all in mind on the offensive line when Flanny was let go for Wells and Spitz and Colledge and Moll were brought in.

This is also why we took the RB we took vs. other guys with names heard more often. It's called a committment to what you are doing and not looking at names or worrying about being deemed smart in the publics eye.

This is why so many draft classes ultimately turn out to be so surprisingly good. Obviously it's not surprising to those that picked them but to those who think they know more than those responsible for making these decisions.

When people make assumptions on what they feel is best and then not see presumed results then you see a reaction vs. a response to the results.

Just because fans convinced themselves who the right pick was and didn't see it happen doesn't make the pick wrong.

this is what ive been trying to convey since the draft.

when TT says best player available... he means for the packers. not what ESPN says is the best player.
that means when its a toss up between a skinny short speedy WR and a big WR that goes across the middle... the packers BPA is the big boy.
that means when a RB that plays in the ZBS in college comes up over a guy more hyped in college... the zbs boy is the packers BPA.

does this mean every pick is gonna be a standout... no way thats not possible. but the good player in the right system is better than a great player in the wrong system everytime.

yet another great post warhawk.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Good point, best player available, FOR the Packers. Very good point. Makes more sense on when people say we should have taken Brady Quinn if we took the BPA, but he wasn't the BPA for the Packers.

 

[Cubanpenguin]

Think about this...If the DT's can colapse the pocket and take up blockers that allows the DE's to get to the QB easier.

It allows the LB's to roam around and make plays and by having more pressure on the QB he will rush throws and make the whole secondary look better.

Like the experts always say the games are won in the trenches and if you have a great D-Line they can make the entire defence look great instead of good.

 

[BangTheDrum]

Think about this...If the DT's can colapse the pocket and take up blockers that allows the DE's to get to the QB easier.

It allows the LB's to roam around and make plays and by having more pressure on the QB he will rush throws and make the whole secondary look better.

Like the experts always say the games are won in the trenches and if you have a great D-Line they can make the entire defence look great instead of good.

Fantastic point, ppl overlook these things

 

[retiredgrampa]

Re: Not being horrible to Green Bay but the fans looked gutt

I've ALWAYS touted the OL and DL as vastly important. If there's weakness there, there's weakness everywhere. The problem is that there are so few big men capable of doing a sterling job in those positions. When a talented guy becomes available you'd damned sure better grab him, no matter the slot. Harrell will become the new big Gilbert Brown, my all-time Packer. Next year at this time, ALL true Packer fans will be singing the praises of TT's drafting prowess. Others being praised will be Jackson and Korey Hall. People will wonder why they questioned Rouse. :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

 

[MassPackersFan]

I agree with you, except I'm iffy on Rouse and growing on Jones.