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<blockquote data-quote="Raptorman" data-source="post: 273872" data-attributes="member: 655"><p>Just making the point that these "Franchise's have a winning tradition per your standards. Well, when the Vikings finally win the Super Bowl, I know that your argument will most likely be, "They lost their first 4 though." And the only things the Vikings don't have that these teams do is a Super Bowl Victory. They do have a better overall record and better record of making the playoffs. </p><p> </p><p>Of course if you wanted to take it in a real historical perspective,(I know you won't) The Vikings won the NFL Championship in their 9th year, by then the Niners had been around for 23 years and hadn't done it. Even if you don't consider that "Championship", the Vikings made the Super Bowl 4 times before the Niners ever made it. But making it to the Big Game does not count. Only winning it does. </p><p> </p><p>My definition of a winning tradition includes more then just winning the big game. If a team just pops up and wins every 10 years or so doing nothing in between or happens to have a good 10 year run I don't know how you can say they have "Tradition" of winning. I would think to have that you would have to "win" more games then you lose over a the life of the franchise not just have a really good 10 year time span. But that's just me. Winning the big game is nice. And one day I hope my team does it. Until them I will consider them to have a "winning tradition" except for that final game. </p><p> </p><p>From 1997-2002 Tampa won .625 percent of their games including the Super Bowl. Those 6 years account for 18% their time in the league and 29% of all their wins. But they don't have a winning tradition. </p><p> </p><p>New England has 3 Super Bowls from 2001-2009. Those 9 years account for 18% of their time in the league, and 28% of all their wins. But because they won more then one Super Bowl they have established a "Winning Tradition". So I guess if Tampa had won one more Super Bowl they could have been considered to have a winning tradition. </p><p> </p><p>And for the heck of it. New England's "winning tradition" percentages by decade.</p><p> </p><p>1960's .448 (65-80-9)</p><p>1970's .507 (74-72-0)</p><p>1980's .454 (69-83-0)</p><p>1990's .450 (72-88-0)</p><p>2000's .743 (107-32-0)</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, this discussion has been fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raptorman, post: 273872, member: 655"] Just making the point that these "Franchise's have a winning tradition per your standards. Well, when the Vikings finally win the Super Bowl, I know that your argument will most likely be, "They lost their first 4 though." And the only things the Vikings don't have that these teams do is a Super Bowl Victory. They do have a better overall record and better record of making the playoffs. Of course if you wanted to take it in a real historical perspective,(I know you won't) The Vikings won the NFL Championship in their 9th year, by then the Niners had been around for 23 years and hadn't done it. Even if you don't consider that "Championship", the Vikings made the Super Bowl 4 times before the Niners ever made it. But making it to the Big Game does not count. Only winning it does. My definition of a winning tradition includes more then just winning the big game. If a team just pops up and wins every 10 years or so doing nothing in between or happens to have a good 10 year run I don't know how you can say they have "Tradition" of winning. I would think to have that you would have to "win" more games then you lose over a the life of the franchise not just have a really good 10 year time span. But that's just me. Winning the big game is nice. And one day I hope my team does it. Until them I will consider them to have a "winning tradition" except for that final game. From 1997-2002 Tampa won .625 percent of their games including the Super Bowl. Those 6 years account for 18% their time in the league and 29% of all their wins. But they don't have a winning tradition. New England has 3 Super Bowls from 2001-2009. Those 9 years account for 18% of their time in the league, and 28% of all their wins. But because they won more then one Super Bowl they have established a "Winning Tradition". So I guess if Tampa had won one more Super Bowl they could have been considered to have a winning tradition. And for the heck of it. New England's "winning tradition" percentages by decade. 1960's .448 (65-80-9) 1970's .507 (74-72-0) 1980's .454 (69-83-0) 1990's .450 (72-88-0) 2000's .743 (107-32-0) Anyway, this discussion has been fun. [/QUOTE]
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