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New England's 6 Wide Receiver Set

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Brandon, Jan 12, 2015.

  1. Brandon

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    Honestly, I think this is genius, and it really goes to show the depth of knowledge Bill has as a coach. I've heard some peeps of it being a "stretch of the rule book" but I don't see anything wrong with it. For those of you who didn't see in the game against Baltimore, New England lined up with 6 wide receivers. It is not legal in the NFL to have 6 wide receivers run a route, however there is no rule stating there cannot be 6 wide receivers on the line of scrimmage so long as at least one of them remains on the line as an eligible blocker.

    I'm not 100% clear if the WR that is the eligible blocker has to report as the blocker, but if not then this creates a devastating matchup problem for the defense. The defense suddenly has no idea who the cover because it is not a standard offensive formation and assignments suddenly get very tricky.

    What are your thoughts on this play? I think the only downfall is it leaves one less body on the Oline for protection.
     
  2. red4tribe

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    I think it'd be interesting to do. Maybe try it out a few times and have the ineligible lined up with Sherman? I'm not sure how effective that'd be, but it wouldn't hurt to try.
     
  3. captainWIMM

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    I think it was a great call by McDaniels. The Ravens defense looked totally confused on it as they tried to cover Vereen who declared himself ineligible (which he has to do).
     
  4. longtimefan

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    the players have to report as ineligible to the ref and then the ref reports to the defensive captain
     
  5. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    the players have to report as ineligible to the ref and then the ref reports to the defensive captain
     
  6. Hincha

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    Agreed... ingenious.

    I could not figure out why Harbaugh was so mad at first and why he got the penalty, afterwards I understood.
     
  7. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

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    I did not see the game. Did the ref report it to the def captain?
     
  8. GoPGo

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    Anyone have a video? I don't see where this is any kind of advantage. What did they do, put 6 WR on the field and only 4 OL or did they put a WR at QB?
     
  9. longtimefan

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    The article I read said they did

    I found it by doing Google this morning
     
  10. Powarun

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    I don't think there was any foul play, just confusion on the defense that well ticked a whiny coach off. Not really genius just brilliant.
     
  11. PikeBadger

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    Very slick.

    In theory, the guy that declares ineligible should be able to step back and take a backwards lateral from the QB if the QB sees he is ignored by the defense. Am I correct?
     
  12. Carl

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    Nope. That would be like an o line taking a lateral. He can't run with the ball or catch it.
     
  13. Carl

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    Advantage is the defense has a hard time matching up because they are confused about who is eligible.
     
  14. Carl

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    Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think Sherman only plays on the outside.

    Can't legally line up and have an outside receiver ineligible, therefore Sherman would not get matched up with one.
     
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  15. longtimefan

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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...legal-plays-tom-brady-says-study-the-rulebook

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Daryl Muellenberg

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    So why can't an o-line take a lateral? They obviously can't receive a forward pass, but anyone can legally take a lateral - you see it all the time on last play desperation attempts.

    From the rule book:
    Article 1 Backward Pass.
    A runner may throw a backward pass at any time (3-22-4). Players of either team
    may advance after catching a backward pass, or recovering a backward pass after it touches the ground.
     
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  17. Carl

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    Difference on those plays is the lineman are not the first to touch the ball after the QB. Ineligible receivers cannot get the ball directly from the QB whether it's a run or pass.

    That's the rule.
     
  18. Daryl Muellenberg

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    I will believe you when you show me the rule. That's probably true for a run or a forward pass, but not a backward pass. The rule I quoted said any player on either team can receive a backward pass so I'm sticking with that until proven otherwise.

    Found another definition: The backward pass can be made anywhere on the field, and all offensive players are eligible to receive such a pass.

    Doesn't say anything about lineman not being able to be the first to receive a backward pass.
     
  19. Carl

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    I could be wrong. You added the rule to your post after I quoted it.
     
  20. Daryl Muellenberg

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    You just sounded so sure of yourself when you said "That's the rule." so I figured you knew of the so called rule, but I can't find anything that says what you claim. If you can find a rule that states this, then I will believe you, but not until then. :)
     
  21. Carl

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    Been digging and it looks like you're correct. I thought I remembered seeing it somewhere where that the lineman could not take a lateral, but guess not.
     
  22. PikeBadger

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    I'm officially worried. I can practically hear Pete Carroll saying, dang! Why didn't I think of that. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him try this out on us. Very interesting play.
     

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