rodell330
Cheesehead
why is everybody giving up on Doms physco package haha. Remember how well that worked here?? That didn't stop anybody just like the pkg he throws on the field with two freakin down linemen and 6 db's.
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Bensalama21
Ben
Even though 3-4 is our "base defense", we run nickel for some ridiculous number like 70% of the time or something... If we did switch to a 5-2, for one, offenses would probably pick us apart with the lack of defensive backs/linebackers. 2nd, we wouldn't run a 5-2 most of the time anyways and just play to the personnel that the offense has on the field. I guess we wouldn't know unless we tried though, right?
JBlood
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We played a 5-2 in high school in the 60s, sometimes a 6-2. Of course, nobody passed the ball back then and it worked. I think Dom knows defense, and I suspect he puts some thinking into his schemes--maybe even more time than Frank does (and Frank has spent quite a bit of time on it). If the players (new or old) play his schemes as designed we'll be just fine.
rodell330
Cheesehead
I like franks ideal but the 5-2 would work until you met up with Mr. Brees, Mr. Manning, Mr. Brady, Mr. Romo, Mr, Cutler, or Mr. Stafford. The league today is all about passing and we don't have one single backer who can play pass coverage. If we took all the backers off the field and Teddy drafted 5 safties then i'd be all for it!
mradtke66
Cheesehead
This is incredibly short sighted. We play 2-4-5 because that's our nickel defense. We play nickel so much because we face 3-receivver sets a lot. To suggest that we should play base defense against a 3-receiver sets (regularly, anyway) is borderline retarded.
EVERY team does something similar when they play nickel. You pull a run defender and swap your around your front to get your best pass rushers into the game.
In our nickel scheme/roster make up, our OLBs are equivalent to 4-3 pass-rushing specialists that come into the game for nickel.
1. Every teams does not do something similar when they play nickel, 4-3 base defenses do not constantly play with 2 down linemen, to suggest otherwise is border line retarded.
2. You are missing the point, this team does not have the personnel to run this defense at this time. If you do not realize that, you might be borderline retarded.
3. Our linebackers outside of Clay, are either wholly average or flat out suck, so they are not the equivalent of anything other than mediocrity, if you do not realize this, you may be borderline retarded.
4. Running 2 down linemen as much as the Packers do is just begging to be gashed in the run, which the Packers were gashed for 2/3rds of the year, if you do not realize this, you may be borderline retarded.
5. Trying to make an argument by being insulting, IS retarded and I would have gladly debated this with you an adult fashion and still will if you choose to do so as well.
6. I apologize in advance for being an ***** on the internet.
mradtke66
Cheesehead
Borderline retarded was out of line. I was in too much of a fighting mood when I started. Now then:
Our 2-4 nickel is the exact same thing as a 4-2 nickel. The only difference is that our "ends" happen to be standing up instead of putting their hands in the dirt.
Think back to when KGB just started to turn into a good pass rusher, but wasn't good enough to be an every-down end. (Personally, I don't think he ever was, but I digress.) You're a 4-3 base team with a defensive coordinator called Ed. Ed wants to play nickel, so he pulls a linebacker and the nose tackle. A starting end slides down to 3-technique tackle, KGB replaces the end as a designated pass rusher, and an extra corner comes on the field. Likely weights for your front 4 are 270, 300, 290, and 240 (Kampman, I Forget, Jenkins, and KGB, as an example) . You have given up some run defense in exchange for pass defense: You only have a front 6--2 linemen, 2 designated pass rushers, and 2 ILBs.
Now look at the current Packers. You're a base 3-4 team. Time to go nickel. So, we pull the nose tackle in exchange for an extra corner back. The two "ends" slide down to 3-technique tackles and the OLBs slide inside slightly and are defacto ends by alignment. Approximate weights are 270, 290, 300, and 255. (Neal or Perry, Datone, Daniels, and Clay.) You have given up some run defense in exchange for pass defense: You only have a front 6--2 linemen, 2 designated pass rushers, and 2 ILBs.
I ask you: What is the difference between the schemes when they go nickel? Both nickel alignments invite the run, that's the chess match of football.
How do we fix this? We could really use a complete ILB. He needs to be good enough in coverage to actually stay on the field in nickel and dime BUT be angry/bit/strong enough to be a good run defender so when the offense comes out in a pass set in order to force nickel but then run, he has a chance to blow it up. I don't know where we find this player. They're rare. The archetype if Ray Lewis, of course.
Our 2-4 nickel is the exact same thing as a 4-2 nickel. The only difference is that our "ends" happen to be standing up instead of putting their hands in the dirt.
Think back to when KGB just started to turn into a good pass rusher, but wasn't good enough to be an every-down end. (Personally, I don't think he ever was, but I digress.) You're a 4-3 base team with a defensive coordinator called Ed. Ed wants to play nickel, so he pulls a linebacker and the nose tackle. A starting end slides down to 3-technique tackle, KGB replaces the end as a designated pass rusher, and an extra corner comes on the field. Likely weights for your front 4 are 270, 300, 290, and 240 (Kampman, I Forget, Jenkins, and KGB, as an example) . You have given up some run defense in exchange for pass defense: You only have a front 6--2 linemen, 2 designated pass rushers, and 2 ILBs.
Now look at the current Packers. You're a base 3-4 team. Time to go nickel. So, we pull the nose tackle in exchange for an extra corner back. The two "ends" slide down to 3-technique tackles and the OLBs slide inside slightly and are defacto ends by alignment. Approximate weights are 270, 290, 300, and 255. (Neal or Perry, Datone, Daniels, and Clay.) You have given up some run defense in exchange for pass defense: You only have a front 6--2 linemen, 2 designated pass rushers, and 2 ILBs.
I ask you: What is the difference between the schemes when they go nickel? Both nickel alignments invite the run, that's the chess match of football.
How do we fix this? We could really use a complete ILB. He needs to be good enough in coverage to actually stay on the field in nickel and dime BUT be angry/bit/strong enough to be a good run defender so when the offense comes out in a pass set in order to force nickel but then run, he has a chance to blow it up. I don't know where we find this player. They're rare. The archetype if Ray Lewis, of course.
HyponGrey
Caseus Locutus Est
I'm about as against moving to 43 as it gets, but even I admit that we're only a few pieces away from a potentially effective tampa 2 set.
