Netflix video "The Fall...."

[weeds]

Has anyone watched this? I did and it was everything I expected it to be. Brutal ... and everything reasonably accurate - but, just brutal. The one bit that caught my attention was Jenn Sterger's notation that through the whole ordeal, she has not once talked to, or so much as met Brett Favre.

I guess the lesson that we Packers' fans are being taught here by the producers of these Netflix offerings is that we need to stop worshiping the likes of Favre, et al, just because they're professional athletes instilling a belief in said athletes that they're above any and all societal morality?

When Favre was playing in Green Bay and was being idolized by NE Wisconsin and the nation, I had an Assistant Manager who positively despised Brett Favre. She was and still is a very good judge of character even though she had never met the man. I couldn't resist needling her with "Sheesh, he must have fended off your forward advances or something." Which always went over big. While I'm diggin' at her, I'm telling my young son that he should not idolize professional athletes for anything aside from the fact that they can do things with a ball that you and I can't. That stuck with him so much that his entire rec room is filled with jerseys of his favorite players. I've NEVER purchased one - I've stuck with team orientated stuff that didn't have individual's names on the back of it.

 

[rmontro]

I haven't seen it, I don't have Netflix - but I saw something similar on another channel awhile back. I'm pretty sure I even commented on it here somewhere, but I don't want to look for it. I think it might have been this episode of "Rich and Shameless" on TNT. It talked about his hero status in Green Bay, the texting scandal, infidelities with his wife, and of course the welfare money scandal.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt32262223/

Really, the way free agency is these days, you're better off not getting a jersey with a player's name on it anyway, because it can get outdated quick. I try to stick to team oriented stuff also. Can't help but notice that it's getting a lot more expensive though. Like everything else.

 

[gopkrs]

I've got Doubs and Rodgers

 

[TEXPAC2]

He spent a great deal of time downtown Appleton at the bars with Winters and Chuey. Needless to say he does not have a very high moral standard.

 

[rmontro]

I've got Doubs and Rodgers

I have White and Woodson.

 

[Voyageur]

He spent a great deal of time downtown Appleton at the bars with Winters and Chuey. Needless to say he does not have a very high moral standard.

I could tell you about a couple of incidents that I know about directly from witnesses as to a couple of other things with Favre. On the field, great player, off the field pretty much a POS.

 

[DoURant]

Really, the way free agency is these days, you're better off not getting a jersey with a player's name on it anyway, because it can get outdated quick. I try to stick to team oriented stuff also. Can't help but notice that it's getting a lot more expensive though. Like everything else.

I'm of mind that the best option for a jersey, is a player that is retired. If I bought a jersey moving forward. It would be Sterling Sharpe, White, Woodson, etc.

 

[gopkrs]

And we traded Lofton for going to a nude bar or something. And he went on to have a second hall of fame career where they weren't so judgemental. At least that's what I thought.

 

[weeds]

He spent a great deal of time downtown Appleton at the bars with Winters and Chuey. Needless to say he does not have a very high moral standard.

The one across College Avenue from the old Viking Theater? We thinking of the same place?

 

[longtimefan]

Limos , bathrooms blocked .

Deanna tossing his clothes on the lawn

I witnessed 2 of the 3 amigos publicly gripping women that they didn’t know

 

[weeds]

Limos , bathrooms blocked .

Deanna tossing his clothes on the lawn

I witnessed 2 of the 3 amigos publicly gripping women that they didn’t know

Yup ...

 

[Voyageur]

And we traded Lofton for going to a nude bar or something. And he went on to have a second hall of fame career where they weren't so judgemental. At least that's what I thought.

It was more than that. But it was in an era when there was no tolerance for any violations of the law when it came to that type of matter in Green Bay. The "Puritan" era. Favre and Winters would have been shipped out several times.

 

[TEXPAC2]

The one across College Avenue from the old Viking Theater? We thinking of the same place?

I believe it was called the Filling Station but fairly certain it’s the same place.

 

[TEXPAC2]

I do have a few Jerseys. White, Chmura, Rodger’s, Watt, Witten & Romo

 

[weeds]

I believe it was called the Filling Station but fairly certain it’s the same place.

Oh yeah. Favre passed out at the bar, Bag O' Doughnuts standing guard while Chmura was groping a woman at the Foosball table, as she was whacking him across the face, alternately...right hand...left hand ... she kept slapping, he kept groping. This was the guy who wouldn't go to the White House with the Packers due to his "moral concerns" with Bill Clinton - then, came the hot tub incident.

 

[weeds]

And we traded Lofton for going to a nude bar or something. And he went on to have a second hall of fame career where they weren't so judgemental. At least that's what I thought.

The one that got Lofton in dutch was an incident at what was known at a popular bar named The Top Shelf. There was another one - Jungle Fever, I think. As young men, we used to go there regularly and a good number of Packers' players went there also - I think because they knew I hung out there.

Anyway, two young married Yooper ladies ventured to Green Bay, ended up there and one claimed that Lofton ***** her in the stairway ... but only after her husband found out what had happened. The two ladies were pretty much regulars there if you get my meaning. The years have somewhat clouded the circumstances in my aging, tired old mind ... but I'll tell ya, it didn't play out well in the media here.

The strip joint thing? I think that one involved Eddie Lee Ivory didn't it? Now... he and Lofton were running mates but I don't think that Lofton was at that little incident.

Nothing new or exclusive to that particular era. My older sisters, 2 of whom lived in Green Bay, used to tell stories of Hornung and Donny Anderson (two I remember them talking about) who pulled the same crap in the 60's.

 

[JPPT1974]

Despite the way we may feel about him as a person, but as a player he was solid gold, an elite QB HOF!

 

[rmontro]

Despite the way we may feel about him as a person, but as a player he was solid gold, an elite QB HOF!

True. Threw too many interceptions, but that was baked into the cookie. I always thought he needed Holmgren to keep him under control, and then only barely. In any case, I don't feel particularly comfortable sitting in judgement of people who have that kind of money, influence, fame, and hero worship, and had been pampered diva athletes most of their lives. I can't really relate to the kinds of temptations they most likely faced.

 

[El Guapo]

- then, came the hot tub incident.

My father was pretty connected in the Milwaukee/Waukesha legal scene at the time. I remember him telling me that officers said that Favre and Winters were at the hot tub party as well, but were quickly whitewashed out of the situation by all involved. I never heard that anywhere in the news so just assumed that it wasn't true, but I also wondered why authorities would even be spreading that rumor.

I haven't watched the Netflix movie. I think that Brett was just one of those people with not enough self-control or focus. Glanville knew that Favre was a knucklehead and either didn't recognize or didn't care that he had talent to match. Wolf was willing to take the chance and Holmgren was the right coach to keep him focused on the field. I think of Favre like a fire hose. It took a lot of effort to keep him spraying in the right direction, and the moment you loosen your grip it just goes out of control again.

 

[TEXPAC2]

Despite the way we may feel about him as a person, but as a player he was solid gold, an elite QB HOF!

Sometimes you have to count on the morality of a player as much as the talent.

 

[Half Empty]

Sometimes you have to count on the morality of a player as much as the talent.

That may well be, but how many examples are there of elite players being ditched because of personality issues?

 

[TEXPAC2]

That may well be, but how many examples are there of elite players being ditched because of personality issues?

NOT ENOUGH!!!!

 

[TEXPAC2]

NOT ENOUGH!!!!

I guess I am saying that character really should weigh into the title of “elite” far more often.

 

[Half Empty]

I guess I am saying that character really should weigh into the title of “elite” far more often.

There's an inverse relationship. The more elite the talent, the less his character is even considered.

 

[TEXPAC2]

That is really what is responsible for the deterioration of professional sports in general.