(MUST READ) Jay Glazer: Packers WERE to welcome back Favre

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...this is not the first time this offseason that Favre has made such a request.

In late March during the NFL Owners Meeting, Favre informed the team he wanted to play again, multiple sources have told FOXSports.com. Not only did he insist he was returning, both head coach Mike McCarthy and GM Ted Thompson agreed that he still had something left and they would welcome him back. Despite the fact that those close to Favre have stated Thompson did not want Favre back, Thompson was the deciding factor in agreeing it was not too late to have him un-retire at that time and start for the Packers in 2008.

In fact, team brass went as far as chartering a jet to fly to Mississippi to make it official later that week. The agreement was that the NFL's all-time leading passer would return for the year but help make it easier and palatable for Rodgers, who would have to wait another season to take the helm.

The group was set for this huge move when Favre suddenly phoned the team two days before the meeting was to take place and informed McCarthy that he had changed his mind yet again and was staying retired. While team officials were stunned by Favre's reversal, they made the decision to move on and draft his replacement, a move that Favre at the time understood. The Packers selected two quarterbacks in April's draft, Louisville's Brian Brohm in the 2nd round and LSU's Matt Flynn in the 7th round.

Then, a few weeks ago, Favre phoned the team stating he had that "itch" again to play. However, since he had jilted the Packers in March, the team simply took his latest request with a grain of salt. In addition, the team has put considerable time and attention into making Rodgers comfortable as the heir apparent.
 

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Interesting Read from Jay Glazer

If Jay Glazer's report is correct, I don't see how ANYBODY can blame Ted Thompson over Brett Favre for this situation.

You know how some people are blaming the Packers for not rolling out the f'ing red carpet for Favre? It sounds like they did just that in late March...
 

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I wanted Favre to come back after this season. I don't know any Packer fan that didn't. When he retired, I was disappointed and sad, but I moved on being excited about Rodgers.

Favre could have come back in late March and he waffled again. Because of this move, the Packers thought that retirement was permanent. They moved on as an organization.

Favre is all to blame for this. TT and MM did everything to bring him back even AFTER his retirement speech.
 

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Let's see the TT bashers get around this.
Come on, everyone knows the only reason Favre has changed his mind 270 times on retirement since March is because TT didn't sign Randy Moss. :pop:
 

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Sounds like Glazer's story is being verified by some league sources (on FSN) as GB had contacted them about reinstating Favre during the owner's meeting - then Favre decided he didn't want to come back in late March.

If this is indeed true, I don't see how anyone can be mad at GB. GB bought his "I want to play" line back in late March and were ready to add him back as the starter. Then, he backed out again. So, once Favre made this claim again in July, why would they consider going down this road again?

If GB came out immediately and said "Oh, yes, we want Favre back - he will be our starter and savior". What would be the impact on Rodgers (and the team) if Favre pulled a stunt like he did back in late March? The prudent decision after multiple attempts to get him to come back between Jan and April was to move on. If Favre doesn't like that, he should have taken the opening he had in late March, early April to come back as the starter. It's just too late now to risk another "bailout" by Favre as the team enters camp.
 

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http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/07/11/why-the-packers-won-t-take-favre-back.aspx

A lot of people are wondering what is the Packers' rationale in not allowing Brett Favre to return to the team.

Neither general manager Ted Thompson nor coach Mike McCarthy have addressed this issue (even though they need to immediately).

But two sources, one familiar with Thompson and the other with McCarthy, described the thought process as they understood it.

First and foremost, Thompson took Favre at his word that when he announced his retirement that he was finished. There's no question Thompson could have done more to get Favre to come back, but he couldn't wait until June for an answer and he didn't think he needed to talk Favre into playing if he didn't want to.

Still, what would be the harm in letting Favre change his mind and come back for another season? After all, he was one bad throw away from going to the Super Bowl, and chances are the team will be better this year than last year.

According to one of the sources, Thompson has done more than he has let on in regard to giving Favre the opportunity to return. He said Thompson won't reveal those attempts publicly because he doesn't think it's necessary. He said he did not think it was his place to reveal them either.

Apparently, however, one of those instances occurred in late March and early April. According to FOXSports.com, Thompson and McCarthy received word Favre wanted to return, and decided they would be open to the idea. However, a couple of days before they were to meet with Favre to finalize his return, Favre called them and told them he had changed his mind.

As one of the sources said, Thompson sees things in very black and white terms and if he tells someone he'll meet them for lunch at noon or will lend them $50 or or will count every shot on the golf course, he's resolute about doing it. As a player, he fought every season to make the Houston Oilers roster and when his career was over it wasn't by his choice. In his mind, you either want to play or you don't.

Thompson has had a very hard time dealing with Favre's indecision over the past three years, in part because of his NFL background and in part because he doesn't think any one player should be held above the team. He has acknowledged that Favre deserves special consideration because of his status, but he refuses to bend too far for fear that the atmosphere will start to slide back to what it was under Mike Sherman when Favre basically had his way on everything.

Beyond the constant waffling, there are other factors involved.

According to one of the sources, if Favre comes back, the Packers will lose Aaron Rodgers, Favre's presumptive successor, for good. There is no way after three years as a backup and a fourth as a spurned starter, that he will re-sign with the Packers when his contract is up after 2009. His spirit will be broken and his bitterness will be hard to deny.

The Packers will have wasted three years of grooming a quarterback and have only rookies Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn as possible successors. There are no guarantees that Rodgers will be as successful as Favre was last year, but there's also no guarantee that Favre will be as good as he was last year either.

As is the case with most rookie quarterbacks these days, it takes two or three years to develop into a reliable starter. Most NFL insiders have said that Rodgers' situation has been ideal and gives him the best chance to succeed because he wasn't thrown into the fire. There is still plenty of uncertainty about Rodgers and whether he's equipped to be a successful NFL starter, especially where durability is concerned, but the Packers seem sold on him completely.

And there is also the undeniable fact that Favre faltered in the cold and was outplayed by Kyle Orton and Eli Manning in severe weather conditions. Those might have been aberrations, but they certainly are something to consider.

There are also some of the statements Favre made at his retirement press conference that would scare most coaches and general managers, most notably those about being burned out and questioning whether the pressure was getting to him. If Favre was burned out as late as April and hasn't been working out the way he did in recent years, there may be reason to worry about him getting burned out or physically tired during the season.

Thompson's philosophy since becoming general manager in 2005 has been to create an atmosphere of equality and brotherhood in the locker room. When he got there, coach Mike Sherman had created a situation where Favre was given latitude no other player was given. Understandably, he deserved most of it, but his absence from mini-camps and off-season workouts was setting a poor example for the rest of the team.

Both Thompson and McCarthy fought hard to change the dynamics in the locker room and began to demand more accountability from Favre and other veterans. That push and pull to create more of an equal state in the locker room created an undercurrent of tension between Thompson and Favre, who were in different stages of their careers (Thompson at the start of his, Favre at the end of his).

This puts light on the whole situation at Lambeau.
 

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That was one thing I hated about this situation. Favre was basically stating all of his feelings through his family members. I hated that and I wish Favre would have spoken up about it.
 

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Thank you. Seems like no one is seeing this. Wake up people. TT and MM tried but Brett turned them down. Not the other way around.
 

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Yeah must be true, It was reported by the Media!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Multiple Sources told FoxSports. Not any other venure. Yet, they didn't report on it then. Guess they knew this was coming. Thank god for Jay Glazier setting the record straight!! Nevermind the other 50 reporters who reported 50 other versions in the last month. Run with it boys, it fit's your argument well. Except for the fact that it was overly stated TT takes the best player available one.
 

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Yeah must be true, It was reported by the Media!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What fueled you coming back to the site? Reports about Favre via the MEDIA. You heard it through the MEDIA and now ur back...ya know...just stop.
 

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dd80forever said:
Yeah must be true, It was reported by the Media!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What fueled you coming back to the site? Reports about Favre via the MEDIA. You heard it through the MEDIA and now ur back...ya know...just stop.


So everything some reporter reports is true? Are there not 20 other stories out there stating 20 different things? Yes or no will suffice for both
 

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tromadz said:
dd80forever said:
Yeah must be true, It was reported by the Media!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What fueled you coming back to the site? Reports about Favre via the MEDIA. You heard it through the MEDIA and now ur back...ya know...just stop.


So everything some reporter reports is true? Are there not 20 other stories out there stating 20 different things? Yes or no will suffice for both

Actually I heard on the radio today that Favre is friends with Glazer and Mortenson, who I thought were just pulling **** out of their *****. So this explains how they got their stories. From this point on I'll likely believe what they write about the situation.

Did that suffice?
 

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Yes or no will suffice for both

Actually I heard on the radio today that Favre is friends with Glazer and Mortenson, who I thought were just pulling **** out of their *****. So this explains how they got their stories. From this point on I'll likely believe what they write about the situation.

Did that suffice?

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Yeah must be true, It was reported by the Media!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't you rip TT for being on vacation and ignoring Brett's texts?

Curious, how did you know this happened? I'm guessing through the media. I wonder why you completely accepted such a report as being true.

Also, how did you know that Favre asked for a trade last summer after? Favre nor TT ever acknowledged such a thing. Once again, you can't pick and choose which cases you believe the media over to fit your agenda.


And Multiple Sources told FoxSports. Not any other venure.


Actually, other sources also confirmed the same thing to Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Pray tell, KGB94, what was the last report that Jay Glazer stated publicly as being true and it ended up being wrong? Jay Glazer got a hold of the tape of the Pats cheating, which was something the NFL Commissioner clearly tried to prevent. He has contacts in pretty high places.


Nevermind the other 50 reporters who reported 50 other versions in the last month. Run with it boys, it fit's your argument well.

Um what argument? Glazer never once in his article stated that "Favre is doing things the wrong way". His article was never a personal opinion piece on the Favre/retirement fiasco.

He simply stated events that happened prior to Favre currently asking the team to release him. Never once in the entire article does Glazer show any type of bias against Favre or TT.


Except for the fact that it was overly stated TT takes the best player available one.

That's not the issue. Clearly the issue is that Favre went back on his word once and the Packers were ready to welcome him back. He went back on his word yet another time and told them he was staying retired.

No one in this thread stated that Favre messed up Ted's draft plans. Everyone has/is taking issue with the occurrence of Favre making this situation what it is now even after the Packers were ready to bend over backwards for him once.
 

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