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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 388571" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p>“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants… They contradict their parents, chatter before company… and tyrannize their teachers.”</p><p></p><p>Croak, while I understand your complaints about succeeding generations, complaining about the "current" generation is as old as recorded history. The quote above, although it’s author is uncertain, has been attributed to Socrates by Plato, hundreds of years BC. <span style="color: black">And whenever I hear about the lack of civility today I think about how many of our rightly "sainted" Founders "played politics" after our founding. They regularly spread ugly personal rumors about their political opponents and even wrote anonymous letters to newspapers defaming each other. </span></p><p></p><p>As a fellow old timer I thought I’d chime in and emphasize some of what has been posted. I think what you may be missing is what some fans said about Neal hurt his feelings. IMO it’s as simple as that. It’s been mentioned but I think it’s worth repeating: Remember during the Favre fiasco, Rodgers was treated horribly by some Packers “fans” and according to him one particular “fan” approached him and said, “F you”. If “the customer is always right”, I guess Rodgers response should have been, “Thanks for your input.” And when fans “tell” Neal or when Neal learns some fans are calling him a bust, if he were perfect he would either not respond or say something similar to “Thanks for your input”. But as a flawed human being – like all the rest of us – he responded emotionally and said he doesn’t care what fans think of him.</p><p></p><p>Although I believe it was a completely emotional response, let’s break it down logically: Neal said, “<span style="color: #141414">If I was in this to please the fans, I wouldn't play. I could care less what anybody's saying or how they feel about me. My thing is just to come in here and do my job." If he gets and stays healthy, he will be </span>doing his job. If he does his job, he will please Packers fans even though in his emotional outburst he says he doesn’t care about the fans. IMO he obviously cares about the fans and because he cares he was hurt by what some have said about him. IMO this is no more a reflection of Mike Neal’s character than this 2008 excerpt from Sports Illustrated is a reflection of Rodgers’: “Asked whether he feels pressure to connect with the fans the way Favre did, Rodgers answers unequivocally. “I don't feel I need to sell myself to the fans," he says. "They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut."</p><p></p><p>Rodgers was responding emotionally to a comparison to Favre and Neal was responding emotionally to a comparison to Harrell.</p><p></p><p>Finally, old timer to fellow old timer, I humbly suggest that when the subject of the current generation comes up, think first of our all-volunteer military and the incredible bravery hundreds of thousands of “youngsters” display daily. Still ***** if it makes you feel better but that should at least provide some perspective.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 388571, member: 4300"] “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants… They contradict their parents, chatter before company… and tyrannize their teachers.” Croak, while I understand your complaints about succeeding generations, complaining about the "current" generation is as old as recorded history. The quote above, although it’s author is uncertain, has been attributed to Socrates by Plato, hundreds of years BC. [COLOR=black]And whenever I hear about the lack of civility today I think about how many of our rightly "sainted" Founders "played politics" after our founding. They regularly spread ugly personal rumors about their political opponents and even wrote anonymous letters to newspapers defaming each other. [/COLOR] As a fellow old timer I thought I’d chime in and emphasize some of what has been posted. I think what you may be missing is what some fans said about Neal hurt his feelings. IMO it’s as simple as that. It’s been mentioned but I think it’s worth repeating: Remember during the Favre fiasco, Rodgers was treated horribly by some Packers “fans” and according to him one particular “fan” approached him and said, “F you”. If “the customer is always right”, I guess Rodgers response should have been, “Thanks for your input.” And when fans “tell” Neal or when Neal learns some fans are calling him a bust, if he were perfect he would either not respond or say something similar to “Thanks for your input”. But as a flawed human being – like all the rest of us – he responded emotionally and said he doesn’t care what fans think of him. Although I believe it was a completely emotional response, let’s break it down logically: Neal said, “[COLOR=#141414]If I was in this to please the fans, I wouldn't play. I could care less what anybody's saying or how they feel about me. My thing is just to come in here and do my job." If he gets and stays healthy, he will be [/COLOR]doing his job. If he does his job, he will please Packers fans even though in his emotional outburst he says he doesn’t care about the fans. IMO he obviously cares about the fans and because he cares he was hurt by what some have said about him. IMO this is no more a reflection of Mike Neal’s character than this 2008 excerpt from Sports Illustrated is a reflection of Rodgers’: “Asked whether he feels pressure to connect with the fans the way Favre did, Rodgers answers unequivocally. “I don't feel I need to sell myself to the fans," he says. "They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut." Rodgers was responding emotionally to a comparison to Favre and Neal was responding emotionally to a comparison to Harrell. Finally, old timer to fellow old timer, I humbly suggest that when the subject of the current generation comes up, think first of our all-volunteer military and the incredible bravery hundreds of thousands of “youngsters” display daily. Still ***** if it makes you feel better but that should at least provide some perspective. [/QUOTE]
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