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<blockquote data-quote="El Guapo" data-source="post: 781550" data-attributes="member: 5830"><p>There's a lot of revisionist history coming out here, especially from that article mentioned. Favre would have bounced out of the league based on his lack of commitment and lack of fundamentals. Holmgren and others shaped him into a HOFer. Holmgren also didn't inherit Reggie. He helped get Reggie here. Those 90s teams didn't win in spite of Holmgren's play calling. He did his job while constantly recognizing young coaching talent, bringing them in, and using them while he could to harness top teams each year. All of those future head coaches didn't fall into his lap. Ron was certatinly helped by Wolf, Shurmer, and (yes) Ray Rhodes but most SB winning coaches have lots of help.</p><p></p><p>The way that I always understood the circumstances of him leaving was that he wanted both jobs and was told "no" so he left for a job that gave him what he wanted. I have no problem with that. Wolf then decided he didn't want to be GM around 1999 and worked with Harlan to transition Sherman into the role around 2000/01. To me that was a slap in the face of Holmgren, either that the Packers couldn't get their act together to commit when he requested the dual role or they didn't think that he had the chops. It looks like they were right of course.</p><p></p><p>All said, Holmgren was a very good coach in the right situation. IMO a Canton-worthy coach either needs to do it for a long time or do it with multiple teams. Either way, it demonstrates that it's more than just the right circumstances but that the coach was a big factor in continued success. One SB doesn't put you in Canton, but it rightly sparks a discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Guapo, post: 781550, member: 5830"] There's a lot of revisionist history coming out here, especially from that article mentioned. Favre would have bounced out of the league based on his lack of commitment and lack of fundamentals. Holmgren and others shaped him into a HOFer. Holmgren also didn't inherit Reggie. He helped get Reggie here. Those 90s teams didn't win in spite of Holmgren's play calling. He did his job while constantly recognizing young coaching talent, bringing them in, and using them while he could to harness top teams each year. All of those future head coaches didn't fall into his lap. Ron was certatinly helped by Wolf, Shurmer, and (yes) Ray Rhodes but most SB winning coaches have lots of help. The way that I always understood the circumstances of him leaving was that he wanted both jobs and was told "no" so he left for a job that gave him what he wanted. I have no problem with that. Wolf then decided he didn't want to be GM around 1999 and worked with Harlan to transition Sherman into the role around 2000/01. To me that was a slap in the face of Holmgren, either that the Packers couldn't get their act together to commit when he requested the dual role or they didn't think that he had the chops. It looks like they were right of course. All said, Holmgren was a very good coach in the right situation. IMO a Canton-worthy coach either needs to do it for a long time or do it with multiple teams. Either way, it demonstrates that it's more than just the right circumstances but that the coach was a big factor in continued success. One SB doesn't put you in Canton, but it rightly sparks a discussion. [/QUOTE]
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