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Let's Talk About Our Receiving Corps

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by El Guapo, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. texaspackerbacker

    texaspackerbacker Cheesehead

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    hahaha some real passion there. Megatron and a small handfull of others around the league I would consider great - and yes, Stafford does get some credit, but not much because unlike Rodgers, he hasn't managed to turn his other receivers into anything special - not to mention the matters of winning games and the lack of interceptions. I would be interested in hearing where you got that 25-35% figure; also the idea that most NFL receivers don't catch nearly 100% of catchable balls - hell, Finley probably catches 80-90% hahaha.
     
  2. El Guapo

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    According to a PFF comparison of TE stats in the NFL from 2009-11 (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/03/three-year-drop-rate-tight-ends/), Finley's drop rate is 10.9% based on 147 catchable balls. This jives with the stats that I've gathered showing that Finley was targeted 189 times during that those three seasons with 131 receptions. That's a reception rate of 69.3% but about 20% of the targets were mis-fires by Rodgers.

    So our worst pass-catcher, Jerdroppel Paddlehands (or whatever he's called on the other thread) catches 89% of his passes
     
  3. DevilDon

    DevilDon Inclement Weather Fan

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    If I had 3.5 acres of beer I wouldn't care about the Packers season much less be aware of it.
    I'll bet you a beer the team does better than .500 Poppa San.
     
  4. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

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    I'll agree they should be better than .500 the next few seasons (even without Rodgers for 12+ games.)
    What the heck, Coaches Corner Bar, Ledgeview, the next Sunday night game in December, home or away. 1st Leinies Dark Ale pitcher is on me. No matter the record. I'll be in Packer gear.
     
  5. DevilDon

    DevilDon Inclement Weather Fan

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    You're on. I'll have to find a designated driver however, I think it would be a long night talking Packers.
    Or any game in Mercer T's in Clyman WI. You have to experience this old town kind of fan experience to be called a Packer fan. Full on regalia and great people from the center of the state.
     
  6. mayo44

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    Rodgers didn't turn Jones and Nelson into anything special either. They are by their own merit. Rodgers can get the ball in the area, be he has nothing to do with those guys consistently making high-difficulty catches. In particular, I suggest you review Nelson's senior year at KSU before you say anything about Rodgers being the one that made him special. He was already special coming in.
     
  7. El Guapo

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    Agreed. You don't get picked in the first or second round of the NFL draft unless you have done some special things in college. That said, Rodgers makes them even better and vice versa. Many QBs throw the back-shoulder pass but not many teams do it as successfully and consistently as GB
     
  8. texaspackerbacker

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    I certainly don't mean anything against Nelson or Jones, but I doubt they would be doing near as well for a different team/different QB. Unfortunately, this question is probably gonna get answered one way or the other by how Jennings does with some other team.
     
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  9. mayo44

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    I'm just saying the same goes for any WR or QB in the NFL. They're a combo deal. They make each other better. Put Calvin Johnson on a team with Mark Sanchez or David Carr and he's not going to do so much. Put Rodgers or Brees on a team with nothing but third-rate WRs and they're not going to do nearly as well either. There's a distinct symbiosis that exists between WRs and QBs. Specifically, it's a mutualist relationship.
     
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    Bingo.
     
  11. texaspackerbacker

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    Uh, the first thing that pops into my mind is Larry Fitzgerald. Probably Randy Moss fits in that category also counter examples to what you said. In addition, a lot of mediocre receivers have blossomed bigtime when they got with a top quality QB - and in some cases, faded back when they were back with somebody lesser.
     
  12. ivo610

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    Calvin Johnson had a pretty good season when they went 0-16
     
  13. texaspackerbacker

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    Uh, the first thing that pops into my mind is Larry Fitzgerald. Probably Randy Moss fits in that category also counter examples to what you said, mayo. In addition, a lot of mediocre receivers have blossomed bigtime when they got with a top quality QB - and in some cases, faded back when they were back with somebody lesser.
     
  14. mayo44

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    Neither Nelson or Jones are mediocre.
     
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    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    Because HOF WR [insert rest of quip here]
     
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    Makes you wonder why a team like NYG who aren't exactly stacked at WR cut him. Maybe there's something wrong with him?
     
  17. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    Or, maybe they are saving $$$$$ for that fat victor cruz contract yet to be determined. ???????
     
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    Not as scary.
     
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    Apparently he was "soft"
    http://beforeitsnews.com/sports/2013/05/ny-giants-waive-six-including-wr-marcus-davis-2509224.html
     
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    $$$ on a UDFA? B* u kwazy. Speaking of $$$
    Just gloating a bit.

    Soft doesn't begin to describe it. Compares very similarly to JaMarcus Russel in the effort category. He always was the antiBoykin (who made this team with his blocking ability, route running, body control, and ability to beat press coverage). The deadspin article on him was great
     
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  21. Whatthehellsgoinonouthere

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    For me the top 3 of the receiving corps is Jordy, Cobb and Jones, once you get passed those three, we're thin at best. Finley plays like he couldn't catch a cold, let alone a pass. Boykin and Ross as well as Taylor are unproven for the most part. Bostick is a cointoss IMO, and I don't think Williams is gonna be there. If one of our top 3 goes down we're in trouble.
     
  22. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    PLEASE use the skills public school gave you for free......and read what I said......victor cruz wants 13-15 mil per years, that may be why they are trying to save $$$....it involves re-reading post number 67
     
  23. slaughter25

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    I think the point was a guy that is a UDFA might not be among the top 51 contracts that count towards the teams cap number. Cutting a guy that makes peanuts and doesn't count towards the cap isn't going to help them sign a high ticket WR like Cruz.
     
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  24. HyponGrey

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    ^Very much this. UDFA cost dirt, and generally don't count against the cap. "Let's save money we're not technically spending on a UDFA" If he was really that good, as you indicated he was so long ago, they'd have cut a different fringe WR to keep him at what would probably be a cheaper price. The fact that he was cut from a moderately WR needy team like NYG shows he wasn't worth keeping.

    Davis to Jets. If he somehow manages to get cut there...
     
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