- Nov 10, 2021
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The Packers won't offer up more than about $6 mill to Lazard. They have a young nucleus on board, and will add to it through the draft.
I can't speak for anyone else but I don't think MVS is worth $10 million a season and neither is Lazard.
Reality is, their worth is dictated by the salaries they get, not on the results they actually have. What freaks me out is how teams keep rewarding players for past results, after the fact, and fail to identify the fact that those amazing results will probably never be recreated.That isn't the discussion - I don't think Rodgers is worth or has been worth his last couple contracts...I don't think Davante is worth the money he got. Sad fact is in the league now they both are as crazy as that is.
Actually kind of an interesting question to me.So you view him as an inferior WR than to MVS?
Actually kind of an interesting question to me.
Broadly speaking I see Lazard as more reliable/consistent/steady - for me he is kind of a "low ceiling, high floor" type of guy while MVS I see as being a bit more inconsistent but also a higher ceiling, more dangerous player...
For their careers their stats are actually really quite similar too. Lazard higher catch percentage, higher 1st down percentage...MVS more yards/rec, higher ADOT, higher YAC/R, nearly identical drop percentage
Lazard does perhaps bring more intangibles or "utility" to the table but I think in general it's those "home run threat" type of guys who are more likely to get paid. I think MVS was overpaid at 10m per year but I don't expect Lazard will get that sort of offer either.
All that being said I don't know if I'd call him "inferior" to MVS but if I had to guess he will probably get paid as though he were
That isn't the discussion - I don't think Rodgers is worth or has been worth his last couple contracts...I don't think Davante is worth the money he got. Sad fact is in the league now they both are as crazy as that is.
I can see that.I look at Lazard and see a reasonably good WR. He's not going to put up 1,800 yards a year. He's not that good. But, no matter how good a WR is, you have to evaluate the talent that's on the field with him. Is there another WR out there that will require coverage from two people? What are the routes this WR is running? Will you be able to control him with zone coverage, or is he going to need man coverage? Lots of little things that end up creating the actual results on the field. Yet, remember this, Lazard is not a game changing receiver, and probably never will be. He's good, but not great.
Making matters worse, the Packers did not show much else out there all year. We can talk about the good games from both Watson and Doubs, and be pleased with them. They were rookies. Next year, the rubber hits the road, and we see what they've really got in the tank. In the meantime, this season, any time Lazard ran a longer route, there was over and under coverage around him, making him a less likely target. He's not that proficient at winning those 50/50s. That's where Watson, and possibly Doubs, are going to excel. But, that's next year.
I'm not dissatisfied with Lazard's results. But, how do I decide what to pay him. I look at him as being mid-range, so that's what he gets, nothing more. He can walk if it will cost more.
In another system, Lazard might excel. Or, it is just as likely he will fail to even measure up to this year's standards. You just don't know until you plug these guys in, and let them work.
My guess? He's going to look the same, play the same, and be just average, no matter where he goes.
Honestly systems like Ravens and Steelers would love his style
Totally agree with your post, but it seems like year after year we see some of the teams that are "cap flush", overpay for multiple players. Why? Probably because they have the "money/cap" and a big need at certain positions, so they are willing to overpay. Do that too many times and you end up with players like Kenny Golladay, who the Giants signed in 2021 for 4 years and $72M ($40M guaranteed). Golladay was an ok WR with Detroit, but I don't feel bad for the Giants for being stupid enough to give him that much money. What it also serves to negatively effect, is setting the bar just that much higher for others. We have seen that at almost every position. One team goes wild and pays a FA too much and suddenly, the market is reset.That's why so many free agents are overpaid, and end up where everyone talks about how that was a mistake on the part of the signing team. The money appeared to be there at the time, and it was spent, to fill a need, and that chart of relative value was ignored.
Interesting it does sound about correct as far as market value.LOL....PFF predicting Lazard gets paid $11M/year!
I do like Lazard, but that would be a gross over payment to a guy that had Aaron Rodgers as his QB. Even when he was the #2 or #1 receiver on the Packers depth chart, he didn't contribute like one.
Like Marquez Valdes-Scantling last year, could Allen Lazard simply become too expensive in free agency for the Packers to keep?packerswire.usatoday.com
I don't see Lazard being that difficult to defend. He isn't particularly fast and it isn't like he is known for brilliant route running. I would have been "more fearful" of facing MVS and him getting behind Packer coverage. Even with that, neither WR would be my idea of a #1 or #2 WR to have on a team. The Chiefs have a plethora of weapons and it wasn't until most of them were down with injuries that MVS started seeing the ball a lot in the AFCCG. I will say though, he was better in KC, than I felt he was in GB in 2021.Regardless of what they might pay him, I'd hate to see Lazard destroying OUR DB's while Montgomery or Fields run wild.
Lazard?… Destroying who? ….Regardless of what they might pay him, I'd hate to see Lazard destroying OUR DB's while Montgomery or Fields run wild.
Thought it was clear that my fear is Lazard RUN blocking by saying that Montgomery & Fields would be running wild.Lazard?… Destroying who? ….
Oh you mean blocking? Lazard is a good blocker but if that’s the only upgrade we’ve got to worry about bring the Bears on.
Montgomery is a FA, we may not have to worry about him in Chicago. Bears have a lot to do to rebuild, them signing Lazard would be very low on things to worry about the Bears doing. I hope they keep that #1 pick and bomb on whomever they pick. My fear is they get a team that is desperate for a QB and are willing to give the Bears a ton of 1st and 2nd round picks over the next 3 years.Thought it was clear that my fear is Lazard RUN blocking by saying that Montgomery & Fields would be running wild.