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Kuhn?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Bagadeez04, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. Bagadeez04

    Bagadeez04 Cheesehead

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    So I know he's a fan favorite and I know it's totally kewl to say Kuuuuuuhn after one of his two yard runs, but why is this guy still on the roster at over $1 million/year?

    Is his special teams play on par Bush? He contributes very little as a FB/RB yet keeps making the roster. I don't understand why.
     
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  2. GoPGo

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    Pass protection. And we need it.
     
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  3. P-E-Z

    P-E-Z Cheesehead

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    Now that we have a run game full back as a lead block can come in handy....
     
  4. 7thFloorRA

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    There is nothing he does that Quarless couldn't do.
     
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  5. PFanCan

    PFanCan That's MISTER Cheesehead, to you.

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    Not only did Kuhn obviously blow chunks on that blocked punt, but also he failed on his pass reception to get to the first down marker. He was dumped at first contact with the corner.
     
  6. Bagadeez04

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    It's not because Ted and Mike like saying Kuuuuuuuuuuhn?
     
  7. ThxJackVainisi

    ThxJackVainisi Lifelong Packers Fanatic

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    IMO Kuhn’s screw up was inexcusable.

    I was hoping Kuhn wouldn’t make the initial 53-man roster - I preferred a youngster getting that spot. He doesn’t fill the traditional role as a lead blocker very well and the position of FB just isn’t that important in today’s Packers offense (if it were, there would be more than one on the roster). The TEs can fill the role of lead blocker and safety valve better than Kuhn IMO. Kuhn has two strengths: He can pick up the blitz and he’s a special teams captain. He also should be providing a veteran presence to the team. (BTW any case that can be made for Kuhn to run the ball can be better made for Lacy to run it.)

    IMO there’s no excuse for any pro football player to be ignorant of the rules. Not even a rookie because playing football is their job and knowing the rules is a basic requirement. And this is Kuhn’s seventh season in Green Bay. Surprisingly after the game Kuhn said he knew the rules but was trying to “make a play”. I’d have been pissed if a rookie made that mistake. And look at the play again: It was a pitiful attempt and stupid at its core. Inexcusable.
     
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  8. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    I said he was irrelevant and replaceable back in preseason. BTW who did we use as a lead blocker in this game again? Oh yeah, Quarless. Kuhn is here for pass blocking and ST. Period.
     
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  9. adambr2

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    He's better in pass protection but a worse lead blocker than Quarless for the run game. That's a pretty big investment for a guy who is pretty limited in his skillset.
     
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  10. Forget Favre

    Forget Favre Cheesehead

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    Way too overrated to some of the fans.
    Coaches must see something in him that we don't.
    Who is right?
    I honestly don't know but if he contributes to things we don't see or know about, keep him.
    If he is more goof up then contributes, let him go.
     
  11. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    Mac has wanted to run singleback for a while now, and with guys coming off PUP he may see the boot, this is the last year of his contract and he's 30
     
  12. longtimefan

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    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...to-packers-offense-b99142569z1-232009091.html

     
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  13. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Expand the quote or read the link..

    REALLY good info
     
  14. Croak

    Croak Terminally twisted.

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    He's a local kid. Grew up about 10 miles from us. :tup:
     
  15. El Guapo

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    It goes to show that there is some method behind the madness for those who think that TT completely mishandled the QB situation.
     
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  16. SpartaChris

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    Yup. It's just proof we fans have no idea what goes on in the front office. We'll whine, complain, scrutinize and cry when the front office makes a decision we don't find sexy or don't agree with, but don't acknowledge when those roster moves actually pan out.
     
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  17. Forget Favre

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    Can't agree with this more.
     
  18. 13 Times Champs

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    And he's our emergency QB. :D
     
  19. Ogsponge

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    I would surmise that anyone who does or did not understand how valuable Kuhn is to the offense, does not understand football at all and probably should stick with something like soccer. You know, fake football. :whistling:
     
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  20. Forget Favre

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    Why put down us casual fans like that or any Packers fans at all?
    I was really naive about what Khun could do or how he contributed. I thought he was overrated because of his short yards when he had the ball. I was wrong. Coaches know what he is capable of and use him the way they should.
    So I'll quit being an NFL fan because I have no idea what the QB yells out at the LOS or the signals he gets from the sidelines.
    It was fun around here.
    See ya all on the needle point forum.
     
  21. Ogsponge

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    Lol, I was honestly trying to make fun of soccer more than anything. I am sorry if my "joke" offended you. That being said I was unaware of the depth of his value to the offense myself, however, I do not understand how anyone could think a player like him is "overrated" or not valuable to the team.

    Being a valuable asset to a football team is not always about putting up Adrian Peterson, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc... type numbers.
     
  22. ThxJackVainisi

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    Kuhn’s importance on offense has increased because of injury to other players. His snaps increased once Finley was lost for the season and again when Rodgers got injured early against the Bears. So if the Packers were healthy on offense, how valuable would Kuhn be? Look at his playing time when they were relatively healthy: As the article mentioned the most snaps he played in any of the first five games was 17. In the huge game to open the season at San Fran, John Kuhn played 15 snaps on offense. 15. He didn’t play a single snap on offense against the Lions and with the game on the line at Baltimore, Kuhn didn’t play a single snap in the 4 minute offense. Kuhn was “so important” to the offense earlier in the season that TEs lined up in the backfield more often than he did. Beyond Kuhn himself, the position of FB on the Packers is so important they don’t carry a backup FB on the active roster. Or even on the practice squad.

    As the article says, Kuhn’s value is mainly due to his knowledge of the offense and ability to “help direct the blocking scheme and take pressure off” QBs inexperienced in McCarthy’s offense. He is not a powerful lead blocker. They no longer need or use him much to carry the ball on short yardage. He doesn’t run over defenders on the rare occasions he has the ball. I’m glad Kuhn’s available to assist inexperienced QBs, but some here are exaggerating his value to the team (perhaps because they don’t understand football at all?): Before critical injuries hit the offense, John Kuhn’s main contribution on the team came on special teams.
     
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  23. Forget Favre

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    Well, whatever Khun is doing, it ain't enough.
    Overrated?
    Yes, yes he is.
     
  24. GoPGo

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    If anyone paid attention to the last drive today that put us in the playoffs... THAT is why John Kuhn is on the team.
     
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    GOOD POST.
     

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