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Khryi Thornton Thread

Discussion in '2014 Draft Archive' started by Wood Chipper, May 9, 2014.

  1. Dylan Hoppe

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    This thread is supposed to be about thornton. For gods sake, start a new thread labeled bulls**t and just make all your posts there.


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  2. ThxJackVainisi

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    That's only one of the issues wist43 has trouble refuting. He's decided the only problem the Packers had on D was using the 2-4 and he refuses to consider anything else. IMO he joins the (thankfully short) list of posters who felt the need to tell us how much they know about football because their posts showed otherwise.
     
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  3. wist43

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    I asked how he would be used... and it morphed into this.

    How would you use him?? And... Peppers, Raji, D.Jones, Perry, Daniels, Guion, Neal, Boyd, Worthy??

    That's 10 guys that you need to either make inactive, or use in some sort of rotation. If you're going to play 2-4 60% of the time - which most of you seem to believe is the only way to fly - how are you going to use him?? Hmmm??

    Some of those guys are either going to have to be cut, or be left inactive every week - assuming everyone made it thru the preseason healthy.
     
  4. wist43

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    Besides Mr. Hoppe - you asked, I answered... you don't like the answer, so you tell me to "get a room"?? lol...

    You guys are a hypocritical hoot ;)
     
  5. ThxJackVainisi

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    Well someone on this thread is a hoot, but I think it’s the guy alleging the rest of us are saying the 2-4-5 is the ONLY way to go. It obviously isn’t but it also isn’t the problem on D. And to reinforce his misunderstanding, he groups Peppers, Raji, D.Jones, Perry, Daniels, Guion, Neal, Boyd, and Worthy as competing with Thornton for playing time. Thornton of course won’t be lining up at OLB or elephant. Peppers, Perry and Neal will be. So his group of 9 is reduced to 6. Raji (we’re told for this season), Guion, and Boyd are NTs so that leaves three. To be fair, Neal has been used as an interior pass rusher and it is crowded with Thornton competing with Daniels, Jones, and Worthy. But why exaggerate?
     
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  6. Dylan Hoppe

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    I was trying to wrap things up... Thought that was pretty obvious Mr. Wist


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  7. Einstein McFly

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    I wish we'd have had a shot at him. Shazier could be the best player of this draft IF he doesn't have to deal with trying to get off blocks all the time. Shazier is too small to be a 3-4 backer if he doesn't have good big guys up front that allow him to stretch his legs. Pittsburgh obviously thinks they have those guys or will get them in FA or next year's draft. If they don't, expect him to get exploited in the run game.
     
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  8. Einstein McFly

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    That's pretty easy to say after the fact. When a coordinator puts in a package slated to stop the pass and gets run on, you call it a bad call but if they'd been in their 3-4 base and had given up an easy pass you could say the same thing. The guys on the other side are pros too, so Forte getting a TD is going to happen sometimes no matter who the coordinator is. My beef last year was when we had our big guys out there and we knew they were going to run and we couldn't stop it. It's hard to see how that's Capers' fault unless it's an issue of him not being able to play hard. Then again, we looked damned good against the run in the first five games, so who knows?

    Also, I feel like you're missing the point with the alignments and personnel. It's not that he's choosing to put Hawk and Jones out there because he thinks they're better players than Worthy or Datone Jones or whatever, it's that when the offense puts more small and quick guys out there you need to bring in more small and quick guys to defend it. Hawk and Jones are better able to cover than a dlineman, of course. If they had Geno Atkins and JJ Watt to go with Daniels, I bet we'd see more base 3-4 on passing downs but unless you have guys on the dline that can really, really rush the passer you need to follow the offense and bring in smaller guys.
     
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  9. Einstein McFly

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    Do we really think that Guion and Boyd and Worthy and Thornton are all going to dress? Raji, Jones and Daniels of course, but since Perry and Neal and Peppers could all play with a hand down in nickel we may not carry so many on the roster much less on gameday. I think Worthy and Guion are going to be battling for their roster spots, and maybe Boyd too (though he showed a lot at the end of last year). I think whichever one shows that they can really play the nose is going to have the leg up.
     
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    That wasn't the purpose of my post - I was was just pointing out the confusion of all the players that poster thinks Thornton is competing with, which IMO goes to his misunderstanding of what is going on, on defense. The point you raise is first who makes the final 53 and then who dresses on game day. I agree about Worthy having to earn his spot. He may have depended too much on his quickness in college and I didn't think he showed much even before he got injured. I hope and expect he's gotten stronger. Pickett is gone and it looks like Jolly will be too, so who backs up Raji at NT will be interesting.
     
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    I think it´s possible the Packers only keep six DL, with Boyd and Guion battling for the final spot. I´m kind of intrigued by Mike Pennel, the undrafted NT out of Colorado-State Pueblo, maybe he can jump ahead of both of them on the depth chart.
     
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    Or like I've been saying he can bulk up and be just fine! Who cares about how small he WAS? Obviously Pitt feels some way about him. Guarantee he has a bigger impact than any of our middle backers who arnt to "small"
     
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    Even if Shazier has some impact with the Steelers he wouldn't have been a great fit for the Packers.
     
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    Why? And don't say because he's to small...give me something else.
     
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    No experience or evidence he could play 3-4 ILB. Another 1st round choice knowing there would be a position change.


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    Once again, he´s not able to come off of blocks by OL at the second level. That isn´t a problem on a team having DL capable of eating up blockers, the Packers don´t have those guys though.
     
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    Maybe. But Packers need guys who can get off blocks...I'm so over seeing fat guys pasted to linemen.
     
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    Of course, it's not that easy. You can't just tell a guy with skinny legs to "bulk up" and take on blocks. If it were that easy he'd have done it at OSU. Shazier is what he is. He's a super fast, explosive guy. Like a huge safety playing linebacker. Putting on extra weight won't make him something that he's not.
     
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    :D The moment he admitted his favorite team growing up was the Packers, he became a firm favorite of mine. It`s more than just a job to him .
     

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