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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 878719"><p>Though not directed at me, I like to think I share the Captain's dispassionate approach in analysis (nobody's p*ssed me off in quite a while with name calling <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" />), so let me add my two cents.</p><p></p><p>You say Kirsey might have been a $10 mil/year player had he not been injured. That's plausible, given Martinez got that money. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/whistling.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":whistling:" title="Whistling :whistling:" data-shortname=":whistling:" /> But just because the <strong><em>Packers</em></strong> signed him for $6 mil doesn't mean they got some kind of bargain. This is a player who missed 9 games in 2018 (hamstring) and 14 last year (torn pectoral).</p><p></p><p>Kirsey is clearly a risk/reward proposition. Just because we'd all be thrilled if he plays like a $10 mil ILB not named Martinez <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/whistling.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":whistling:" title="Whistling :whistling:" data-shortname=":whistling:" />, you can't at this point ignore the clear possibility he will not given the possible accumulated affects of those injuries not only physically but possibly mentally.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes I think some fans immediately put on their rose colored glasses with respect to a player because if they they think if they don't they cannot be fully engaged with the team, part of the Packer ethos or "community" or whatever, or they won't appreciate that player's performance if he pans out because they've previously committed to some mixed view of him. All you have to do to fix that is be willing to change your mind, be willing to be pleasantly surprised. Pretty simple. As far as the game experience is concerned, I can assure you it is possible to take an analytical approach outside of it and become a fan at opening kickoff.</p><p></p><p>Why are we here? There are some not so good reasons, no one of which I'm specifically attributing to you.</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There's what I call Oprah-think, that unvarnished positivity regarding things over which you have no control expecting somehow the universe will open up good things coming your way. That's just new age gobblygook with a slippery slope down the false self-affirmation rabbit hole.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There's fishing for likes to feel good about yourself, thin gruel to be sure.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There's cheerleading for the feeling it gives you, virtually and with a bunch of people you don't know out in the ether no less, kinda empty outside the game experience.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There's a delusion that any of us are "influencers". If you think anything you write here will end up in the crowd shouting louder or in Packer decision making would be delusional. A coach or even a professional media analyst reading this stuff is highly unlikely, and even if they did the impact would be negligible. The best you could expect is a guy who's at a loss for a story idea coming here to look for an angle.</li> </ul><p>A good reason to be here is to exchange ideas to get to a better understanding of a thing in which you are invested as part of a small community of like-invested minds. While any of us might stray from time-to-time, any other reason is pretty shallow. Of course this is a good place to pick up on all the relevant news, but there's no requirement to opine upon it. </p><p></p><p>That's my opinon and I'm sticking to it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 878719"] Though not directed at me, I like to think I share the Captain's dispassionate approach in analysis (nobody's p*ssed me off in quite a while with name calling ;)), so let me add my two cents. You say Kirsey might have been a $10 mil/year player had he not been injured. That's plausible, given Martinez got that money. :whistling: But just because the [B][I]Packers[/I][/B] signed him for $6 mil doesn't mean they got some kind of bargain. This is a player who missed 9 games in 2018 (hamstring) and 14 last year (torn pectoral). Kirsey is clearly a risk/reward proposition. Just because we'd all be thrilled if he plays like a $10 mil ILB not named Martinez :whistling:, you can't at this point ignore the clear possibility he will not given the possible accumulated affects of those injuries not only physically but possibly mentally. Sometimes I think some fans immediately put on their rose colored glasses with respect to a player because if they they think if they don't they cannot be fully engaged with the team, part of the Packer ethos or "community" or whatever, or they won't appreciate that player's performance if he pans out because they've previously committed to some mixed view of him. All you have to do to fix that is be willing to change your mind, be willing to be pleasantly surprised. Pretty simple. As far as the game experience is concerned, I can assure you it is possible to take an analytical approach outside of it and become a fan at opening kickoff. Why are we here? There are some not so good reasons, no one of which I'm specifically attributing to you. [LIST] [*]There's what I call Oprah-think, that unvarnished positivity regarding things over which you have no control expecting somehow the universe will open up good things coming your way. That's just new age gobblygook with a slippery slope down the false self-affirmation rabbit hole. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]There's fishing for likes to feel good about yourself, thin gruel to be sure. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]There's cheerleading for the feeling it gives you, virtually and with a bunch of people you don't know out in the ether no less, kinda empty outside the game experience. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]There's a delusion that any of us are "influencers". If you think anything you write here will end up in the crowd shouting louder or in Packer decision making would be delusional. A coach or even a professional media analyst reading this stuff is highly unlikely, and even if they did the impact would be negligible. The best you could expect is a guy who's at a loss for a story idea coming here to look for an angle. [/LIST] A good reason to be here is to exchange ideas to get to a better understanding of a thing in which you are invested as part of a small community of like-invested minds. While any of us might stray from time-to-time, any other reason is pretty shallow. Of course this is a good place to pick up on all the relevant news, but there's no requirement to opine upon it. That's my opinon and I'm sticking to it. [/QUOTE]
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