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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 726717">Exactly.Now, I'm not going to claim the PFF distortions disqualify Watt, Miller and Mack as elite pass rushers.  That would be foolish.  By my lights Mack's 5 forced fumbles might just supplement his elite pass rush rating, and Miller's 3 might not detract.  I say "might" because I don't know how many of those forced fumbles were on sacks vs. run plays, but the numbers do suggest a facility.However, Irvin and Beasly led the league in forced fumbles with 6 each.  How many were on sacks?  Some one imagines, but regardless forcing a fumble is not factored into PFFs ratings.Carlos Dunlap had a remarkable 15 passes defended, 13th. in the league behind 12 DBs.  How many of those were on unhurried jumps at the line?  Are those counted?  And even if these are included in hurries, wouldn't PDs, i.e., a tipped ball, likely lead better defensive outcomes than an ordinary hurry where neither the QB nor the ball is touched?My general point is that I'm not convinced that the 15th. rated pass rusher might not actually be the 5th. best under a more scientifically constructed scoring model.  We can extend that to pass blocker ratings.</blockquote>

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