Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Resources
Latest reviews
Search resources
Members
Current visitors
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
Open Football Discussion
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Isaiah Simmons is COMING
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1062965" data-attributes="member: 17987"><p>The thing to remember about the Wonderlic too is that it's a very quick test. The standard version is 50 questions, 12 minutes.</p><p></p><p>So it follows that it's not just about a person's capacity for knowledge, what they have or haven't learned, their ability to synthesize information, etc....but that it's also about being able (at least for testing purposes) to do that all quickly. </p><p></p><p>So IMO an obvious shortcoming in this way is for anyone who has processing difficulties or something like dyslexia, for instance. A person might not have any problem answering the questions and understanding the information, but simply might not be able to process the question itself quickly enough to get through it in time. Added to this, there is no "weighting" to questions, so the short/simple ones count the same for your score as longer or more verbose questions AND you're not penalized for wrong scores - but missing a question will negatively impact your score.</p><p></p><p>Of course a rebuttal might be "well, a person needs to process quickly on the field," which is somewhat true, but IMO not in the same way. Having a hard time reading quickly, for instance, doesn't really correlate with being able to quickly process football-information or not. </p><p></p><p>There have also been a handful of various studies over the years suggesting that:</p><p></p><p>A.) A higher score shows no significant correlation with positive sporting performance, draft position, games started, salary earned, and passer rating (in the case of QBs)</p><p>B.) There is some suggestion that - at least for a few positions - higher scores have a negative correlation with performance (i.e. higher test score = worse player)</p><p>C.) Conversely, again for certain positions there has been some correlation shown between *lower* scores and higher sporting "achievement"</p><p>And D.) Some players and executives believe that scoring too highly can negatively impact the perception of a player. For instance Joe Thuney reportedly missed and/or skipped some questions so he wouldn't score too high... there has been some belief that coaches and/or executives are at times turned off by very high scores as these players can be perceived as "threatening" or "likely to challenge authority"</p><p></p><p>So all that to say in a purely ON-FIELD sense I think its value is basically nonexistent.</p><p>HOWEVER...an interesting tidbit I had found recently is the possible OFF-FIELD value: Studies have also shown that the Wonderlic *does* have a "small but clear correlation" between arrests and Wonderlic scores in that players who scored below the mean score were twice as likely to be arrested as players who scored above the mean score. Similarly, players with a publicly-documented pre-draft arrest were twice as likely to be arrested at some point after entering the league. So, while it might be of (very) limited value when it comes to "sporting intelligence," there is some reason to believe that if a player already has preexisting "character concerns" or disciplinary issues, the addition of a Wonderlic score (good or bad) may sway a team's assessment one way or the other...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magooch, post: 1062965, member: 17987"] The thing to remember about the Wonderlic too is that it's a very quick test. The standard version is 50 questions, 12 minutes. So it follows that it's not just about a person's capacity for knowledge, what they have or haven't learned, their ability to synthesize information, etc....but that it's also about being able (at least for testing purposes) to do that all quickly. So IMO an obvious shortcoming in this way is for anyone who has processing difficulties or something like dyslexia, for instance. A person might not have any problem answering the questions and understanding the information, but simply might not be able to process the question itself quickly enough to get through it in time. Added to this, there is no "weighting" to questions, so the short/simple ones count the same for your score as longer or more verbose questions AND you're not penalized for wrong scores - but missing a question will negatively impact your score. Of course a rebuttal might be "well, a person needs to process quickly on the field," which is somewhat true, but IMO not in the same way. Having a hard time reading quickly, for instance, doesn't really correlate with being able to quickly process football-information or not. There have also been a handful of various studies over the years suggesting that: A.) A higher score shows no significant correlation with positive sporting performance, draft position, games started, salary earned, and passer rating (in the case of QBs) B.) There is some suggestion that - at least for a few positions - higher scores have a negative correlation with performance (i.e. higher test score = worse player) C.) Conversely, again for certain positions there has been some correlation shown between *lower* scores and higher sporting "achievement" And D.) Some players and executives believe that scoring too highly can negatively impact the perception of a player. For instance Joe Thuney reportedly missed and/or skipped some questions so he wouldn't score too high... there has been some belief that coaches and/or executives are at times turned off by very high scores as these players can be perceived as "threatening" or "likely to challenge authority" So all that to say in a purely ON-FIELD sense I think its value is basically nonexistent. HOWEVER...an interesting tidbit I had found recently is the possible OFF-FIELD value: Studies have also shown that the Wonderlic *does* have a "small but clear correlation" between arrests and Wonderlic scores in that players who scored below the mean score were twice as likely to be arrested as players who scored above the mean score. Similarly, players with a publicly-documented pre-draft arrest were twice as likely to be arrested at some point after entering the league. So, while it might be of (very) limited value when it comes to "sporting intelligence," there is some reason to believe that if a player already has preexisting "character concerns" or disciplinary issues, the addition of a Wonderlic score (good or bad) may sway a team's assessment one way or the other... [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Members online
No members online now.
Latest posts
Why I Love The 2026-2027 Green Bay Packers
Latest: El Guapo
Yesterday at 10:50 PM
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Josh Jacobs facing charges…
Latest: milani
Yesterday at 5:13 PM
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Christian Watson signs a 4 year 110m extension
Latest: OldSchool101
Yesterday at 12:42 PM
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Cam Achord new ST coach - Fire him
Latest: OldSchool101
Yesterday at 11:14 AM
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Off Season News
Latest: milani
Sunday at 2:18 PM
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Forums
Open Football Discussion
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Isaiah Simmons is COMING
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top
