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Message: <blockquote data-quote="weeds" data-source="post: 761075" data-attributes="member: 39">The writer led off with 5 Super Bowls and 5 NFL Championships?? 5 Super Bowl APPEARANCES is a heckuva lot different than 6 Super Bowl WINS which is the domain of the Steelers and Cowboys. Fact is that a championship is a championship whether or not it has a "marketing term" in front of it or not -- which is what SUPER BOWL is.There is a lot to be said for the Pats. Let's be honest here, blind loyalty aside, 10 Super Bowl appearaces is 10 Super Bowls appearances. In that time frame, how many AFC Championsips? Brady has been in 12 AFC Championship games and 8 Super Bowls in what... 18 years? I wouldn't want to be the guy looking dumb while saying that's anything BUT a dynasty.Now, would Brady be there without Bellichik and vice-versa? Moot point...and some pretty ****-poor equivocation in my book.Personally, WHEN the championships were won is an argument put forward by the fan of an expansion team. 13 is 13, recognized by the NFL and that is all she wrote.However, those refusing to give the Pats their due are just plain disingenuous.Greatest franchise of all time? Silly, circuitous argument to which there is no answer.</blockquote>

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