Is a Rebuild Possible in 2023

[Mondio]

He definitely has the physical attributes to be a good or better QB. I don’t think there is any denying that

 

[captainWIMM]

Other than Jefferson and Hockenson, who on the Vikings is a young star? I like O'Niell at RT but he'll be 28 next season. Darrisaw is ok but not a budding star. I think you can take a look at a lot of teams and only find 3 to 4 young players that are pro bowl players or have that potential. Look at the Rams, other than Cooper Kupp, they don't have a lot of young players with star potential. A couple of teams like the Jets have a lot of young talent. I think they are the exception.

I would have to make a thorough investigation on all other teams in the league to be able to fairly evaluate the situation. Honestly I don't want to put in the work.

With that being said I have the impression that the Packers lack young talent compared to many teams in the league. That might as well not be true though.

I’m telling you that Love and nearly 99.6782% of QB’s who have 9 of their 10 supporting ripped away and then go into a completely new system at OC will not dramatically excel.

It’s a recipe for disaster. Take Rodgers entire cast away and leave him with a bunch of newbies like we did at WR. Then rip away his entire coaching staff. The probability of substantial regression is very high. So now it’s not a matter of you overlooked those changes. You put out superhuman expectations on a completely new system. Luckily our personnel staff is wiser than that or they’d discount Love and thus allow another team in our division to snag him on the cheap in Day 2.

So what you're telling me is that a quarterback changing teams in the offseason has basically no chance of succeeding the following season? If that's true how did Russell Wilson excel with the Badgers? How did all those other QBs who transferred perform at a high level?

As I mentioned before I consider it to be a lame excuse for Love struggling in 2019. Especially for a first round talent facing inferior competition in the Mountain West conference.

Just let me clear about one thing (although most of you will ignore it anyway). That doesn't mean I believe Love will fail at the pro level because of it. I consider it a valid reason for concern though.

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

I don't expect much this year, though hopefully we see development and improvement with flashes of full potential (both Love and the new players/team as a whole).

I think we can get back on track on offense if Love is the guy and we draft well on offense/add new offensive players this year and next. Those are two big ifs though.

One thing that does make me feel better about the future is that I think MLF is a good offensive-minded coach, and the scheme/type of offense we run is quarterback friendly, plus we have and now prioritize a good Oline along with a running game (So, I don't think that Love needs to be as good as Rodgers or Favre). However, we still need to prioritize offense in the next couple of drafts as well as make good selections. We also obviously need Love to be good or quickly find his replacement.

If we want to win a Super Bowl in the future, we need to get better as an organization on defense. Both the 2011 and 97 teams had great defenses and I think defense has been a major reason we only have 1 Superbowl each under Favre and Rodgers. While it is probably hard to be elite on defense all of the time, I think a good coordinator along with good drafting/development of defensive players will get you defenses that are almost always at least decent, very good most years, with forays into elite territory.

Not sure if Barry is the guy, I have my doubts. I think we are talented against the pass and at the back and middle of the field, but we need better run stoppers and to get better up front on the defense.

As for how long it takes us to get back into winning, I am thinking 1-2, maybe 3 years if Love is the guy and longer if Love doesn't pan out.

 

[Poppa San]

If we want to win a Super Bowl in the future, we need to get better as an organization on defense. Both the 2011 and 97 teams had great defenses and I think defense has been a major reason we only have 1 Superbowl each under Favre and Rodgers. While it is probably hard to be elite on defense all of the time, I think a good coordinator along with good drafting/development of defensive players will get you defenses that are almost always at least decent, very good most years, with forays into elite territory.

Even the great TB12 never won a SB without a top tier (8+) defense.

 

[rmontro]

The biggest problem is that the DC doesn’t seem to be able to make things work even with all the talent at his disposal. They produced less than the sum of their parts last year.

Oh yeah, what happened to that "Fire Barry" business? Guess we're stuck with him another year? Maybe since expectations are low anyway, he gets another year to prove himself.

 

[captainWIMM]

One thing that does make me feel better about the future is that I think MLF is a good offensive-minded coach, and the scheme/type of offense we run is quarterback friendly, plus we have and now prioritize a good Oline along with a running game (So, I don't think that Love needs to be as good as Rodgers or Favre).

I'm not convinced the Packers really have a good offensive line without a quarterback capable of making up for some of their deficiencies.

 

[PackerDNA]

I'm not convinced the Packers really have a good offensive line without a quarterback capable of making up for some of their deficiencies.

Outside of Bakh and Jenkins playing at their best, this is not a very good offensive line. Put them up against a good physical front such as the 49ers, and they usually get their ***** kicked.

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

I'm not convinced the Packers really have a good offensive line without a quarterback capable of making up for some of their deficiencies.

How so?

Usually, a QB can't overcome a bad offensive line unless he is a very good runner/scrambler and/or has a very quick release.

Plus, usually your receivers can't get open, nor can your running game work if you have a bad offensive line, and I thought we were known for having a good offensive line throughout the league during Rodger's tenure. Our offensive lines have also consistently had good rankings by Pro Football Focus.

There have been times, particularly over the last couple of years, where we had a lot of injuries on the line, and I would agree that the backup guards we currently have are not very good.

 

[Mondio]

Rodgers still manipulates a pocket as good or better than anyone that has ever played the QB position. You don’t have to run to help your oline. And being quick to diagnose a blitz and know where to attack and how helps more than people realize.

 

[Poppa San]

How so?

Audible to a better call against the alignment, change blocking assignments, hurry up before or during a defensive shift, go to the hot read, move the RB to the other side, roll out.

 

[captainWIMM]

Usually, a QB can't overcome a bad offensive line unless he is a very good runner/scrambler and/or has a very quick release.

While a quarterback can't completely overcome a bad offensive line he can make up for some of their deficiencies as other posters have explained above.

 

[PikeBadger]

Rodgers still manipulates a pocket as good or better than anyone that has ever played the QB position. You don’t have to run to help your oline. And being quick to diagnose a blitz and know where to attack and how helps more than people realize.

When Favre learned that I have bolded, is when he became the most dangerous player in the NFL.