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IRVIN WRONG TO RIP FAVRE

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Zero2Cool80, Sep 16, 2005.

  1. Zero2Cool80

    Zero2Cool80 Banned Banned

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    [/quote:3g1iw45u]On Wednesday, Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre said he didn’t regret criticizing teammate Javon Walker for threatening to hold out.

    Walker didn’t hold out, he arrived on time for training camp and never said a disparaging word about Favre, the franchise or anyone.

    In the season opener, Walker tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee and is out for the season.

    On Thursday, former Dallas Cowboys receiver and ESPN NFL analyst Michael Irvin said Favre owes Walker an apology.

    “Now this is a story here,â€
     
  2. DePack

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    Why do they let him speak?
     
  3. Zero2Cool

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    No one is perfect and we need to be reminded of the stupidity of others to make us feel better??

    He's a waste of space.
     
  4. NDPackerFan

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    I don't know how a guy whose rap sheet is longer than almost all professional athletes has any right to speak about anyone else's character or behavior at all.
     
  5. digsthepack

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    Michael Irvin is an example of the continued ghetto-ization of the NFL. That little hootenany before kickoff of the Eagles/Falcons game is just the latest incident, and the fact that he condones it is testimony to that fact.

    Dear God, I hope I do not see this beloved game go the way of the NBA!!

    Yes, with his rap sheet he shouldn't be chucking rocks. Guys a punk..always has been, always will be. Like his energy, hate the noise he makes.
     
  6. IPBprez

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    Righto, Slick - You guys remember him wearin' all the Pimp gear?
    Got caught with a trunk full of the white stuff... which suddenly disappeared and no charges were forthcoming.... at least that was the end result.... (???) Guy's a crook - and ESPN continually spritis these guys to the top of the food chain (Ray Lewis, anyone?) for Role Models.... You'd think they were handling the Rap Music World Artists from yer local prison....

    It's the number one reason I won't waste too much time with ESPN.
    'Course, John Salley's not makin' any brownie (joke?) points with me these days, either...

    It's the Press these days, I guess - rotten agenda, to say the least.
    Michael Irvin gets kudos from Tom Jackson
    Mayor of NO gets a free pass for not using the buses to evacuate the City before the flood.
    Same deal with the Governor... whatever...!
    I see no difference in the agendas.....

    Back to football... Good call, Slick.
     
  7. calicheesehead

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    There are no stupid questions...just stupid people. He's either railing on someone or just plain railing still. He has as much credibility as "Dom DeLouise's Workout" tape. Though he was pretty good in Longest Yard.
     
  8. rabidgopher04

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    Again, here's my opinion on the Javon Walker money thing:

    All I can say is too damn bad. Why does he deserve more money because he gets injured? That's ludicrous. You play your contract. If you don't want to get injured don't sign the contract and stay out of football.

    Javon knew the risks he was taking by playing professional football. How does that garner him any more cash?

    I don't think he has the right to any more money, nor is he no more entitled to it than the next guy. Too damn bad if you get injured. Get a real job like the rest of us.
     
  9. Cheesehog

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    I AGREE DIGS. Irvin carries no credibility with me. One of the biggest biggots on ESPN. I'm waiting for the bomb to be dropped on him. Something in his past will come up and the whole sports world will really dump on him. I'm not defending Favre, because Brett did nothing wrong. I'ts Irvin that opens his pie hole before he thinks. So I consider the source. It just scares the hell out of me that the media actually listens and wires his remarks around as legit commentary. I hope to think this will only backfire on the coke sniffer. He'll try to back pedal but won't have a leg to stand on when scenarios of his past will be brought up. He'll probably just wave his hands wildly and say something stupid like "that was then, this is now!" over and over. I believe Favre won't even comment or say "everybody has their own opinion and right to say whatever" and carry on. Like Irvin knows the meaning of "TEAM". sheesh :loser:
     
  10. P@ck66

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    seems to be some racism slipping into this board..hmmmm...
     
  11. Cheesehog

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    I'm a racist against coke sniffers and dealers and hypocrytes. NOW BACK TO FOOTBALL, SORRY RYAN
     
  12. digsthepack

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    There is nothing racist about it. Sports as a whole is reflecting the popular cultural movement in this country. To me, that pre-game incident looked more like gangs squaring off than professional sports. And to condone it in any capacity is deplorable..black, white red, yellow or purple...it was low-rent ghetto bullshit. And I am not referringto the Trotter/Mathis incident, I am referring to the squads squaring off.

    Utter garbage...and it would be in hockey as well, 66!
     
  13. tromadz

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    yeah that was dumb..that whole article was dumb.
     
  14. DePack

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    Gee 66 throwing out the race card. Man I defended you when everyone thought you were chase. But using the race card is very chasely!

    Ghetto-ization is not racist because it comes from my brother digs.....but it is borderline! That's why you gotta love digs.....he knows how to walk that fine line!
     
  15. ArizonaPackerFan

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    Maybe Irvin should blame Rosenhaus instead, as I read Javon is considering canning him.

    I think the following statement from the article says it best:

    "It's convenient for those of limited cognitive abilities (inherent and/or chemical-induced) to blame Favre"
     
  16. CalifPacker

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    Why do they put him on TV???
     
  17. Philtration

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    Wrong. The word "ghetto" is not a black thing. There are ghettos all over the world and are inhabited by people of all colors. Seeing the gang banging, thug life, look at the pimp attitude that is killing the NBA work its way into the NFL is not a good sign. I believe that Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice and Reggie White were all black football players and they carried themselves with the dignity that any grown man should.
     
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    If the world were just Irvin would be making those comments from a prison cell.JMHO

    Also, why do they keep insisting on not including Javon's signing bonus every time they talk about his income. If they don't want to include it, he should give it back.
     
  19. Philtration

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    You are right. P@ck66 lists his occupation as "farmer" so I doubt that he has had very much experience with the ghetto other then seeing it on TV. I on the other hand grew up on the West side of Chicago and have seen it up close and personal. Believe me there is nothing hip, cool, cultural or fascinating about this way of life. Trying to sugar coat the truth under the old stand by cry of racism is naive and counterproductive.
     
  20. P@ck66

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    Depack..

    (i never mentioned "who" was being racist...in my post..but since you brought it up...)

    Do we ever hear anybody stand up and decry the WHITE trailer trash thugs who can't skate, but are primarily in the NHL as intimidators and goons to start fights and maybe take the opposing teams star player out of the game?

    Does anybody stand up and say it seems like the "TRAILERIZATION" or "CRACKERIZATION" of the NHL?

    Say what you will..but I think alot of this falls along "racial" lines...We still have a problem with racism in this country..and if you don't agree..you're just not being honest..or realistic.....This is a deep and complicated issue in this country and should not be glossed over or sloganeered away....

    I think it even applies to the way fans feel about some players who want to renegotiate their contracts...the race factor, that is...if you think about..you will realize that this is true.
     
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    This is for everybody ----- (from MTV, circa the 80's)


    A commercial

    Prejudice & Discrimination.....

    ....are borne of Ignorance & Fear.

    And Ignorant People should never be allowed to breed!


    Now - while that may seem harsh... to the "I feel your pain" crowd....
    It does strike to the heart of the matter...

    Prejudice and Discrimination are environmental.... meaning, it's "taught"...
    Taught to the next generation by - a lot of times.... Parents.....

    I'd rather walk on past that nonsense and get to real life! How about you?
    It's a better way of demonstrating real strength, whereas imitating that offensive behavior is admitting how weak you really are...

    JMHO
     
  22. PackerChick

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    Why did they let him play ball in the first place?
     
  23. PackerChick

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    Is that not true? Well said.
     
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    Stupidity and lack of respect are also taught from generation to generation. Let's not give people like Michael Irvin a free pass on being a a**hole by acting as if it were just a cultural difference. Don't claim that you want to be treated as equal and then cry when you are treated as just that.
     
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    I hear ya, PHIL... but I do think that phrase says it all... all others adjectives and adverbs and descriptives are borne of what I've posted... It actually bases its methodology from a book I had for my Psych & Socialology Classes...

    Sad part is..half the time the applying of such actions are so ingrained that they don't understand it might be wrong... Others just think there should be two sets of standards, instead of one united community.. you can spot 'em in a NY minute.

    Irvin will get his along the way! So will Tom Jackson, and any other bandwagon rider for that nonsense.... Somewhere, someone will apply their own tactics right back at them... which they will not be able to handle....bet on it.
     

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