Mackie2001
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Those that bash or support Sherman really have nothing new to offer. But I have a few things I'd like to say. Let's say I'm trying to put the record straight.
Playoff Loses:
Philly - I still can't believe that people blame Sherman for that as the Packers made enough mistakes in that game to stop drives for any team to lose. The Packers weren't that good. They didn't have a very good defense and had to win their last four and six out of their last seven games to win the division and get into the playoffs at 10-6. Favre had the broken thumb and the Packers wouldn't have been in it at all if not for Arizona's TD with no time on the clock to beat the queens. Also, Denver rested their starter for the Packer's last game. What really won the game for Philly was McNabb who scrambled out of trouble and got first downs while rushing 11 times for 107 yards.
Atlanta - The Packers were just too beat up to compete against the Falcons and Vick. The week before against the Jets should have had everyone prepared for the loss to the Falcons.
Minn - The Packers still didn't have a good defense after all these years and were down by 17 points within the first 10 minutes. That game was a preview of the 2004 season, as the only legitmate wr was Driver with Fergie out and Walker going down with a shin injury. Green was hurt but plugged along for 80 yards and Davenport hurt his shoulder or ribs again in that game but came back in to score a touchdown, early in the fourth quarter. I believe that was his last appearance. He had five carries.
This is the team that Sherman inherited in 2000.
DB Chris Akins - a hot headed nobody but good on ST.
S Gary Berry - four games - Injury I believe
P Josh Bidwell - Average punter
LB David Bowens - one year player with the Packers - had 3.5 sacks.
WR Corey Bradford - played in two games - no catches- to Houston in the expansion draft.
S LeRoy Butler - injuried and retired after 9th game in 2001.
T Chad Clifton - Rookie starter about 4th game, I believe.
C/DT Rob Davis
WR Tyrone Davis - 27 games, 31 catches and 3 td's in last three seasons - 2000-2002.
LB Na'il Diggs - Rookie
T Earl Dotson - started two games. Back injury.
DT Santana Dotson - 2001 was last year.
WR Donald Driver - 37 catches 1999-2001. 1st 1000 yd season was 2002.
S Antuan Edwards - bum
QB Brett Favre
C Mike Flanagan
TE Bubba Franks - rookie
WR Antonio Freeman - Lost speed after big contract
DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - Rookie
LB Chris Gizzi - carried the flag onto the field after 9-11.
RB Herbert Goodman - four rushes for minus 3 yards in two years.
RB Ahman Green - First year with the Packers.
LB Bernardo Harris - Decent LB - released after the 2001 season.
QB Matt Hasselbeck - traded to seattle with Packers 1st pick for Seattle's 1st pick in 2001 - Jamal Reynolds.
FB William Henderson -
DE Vonnie Holliday - released or traded after knee injury in 2002.
DT Cletidus Hunt - miscast DE - not a tackle.
WR Charles Lee - with Packers 2001-2002. 12 receptions and one TD.
RB Dorsey Levens - 20 games 2000-2001. 121 carries 3 td's. Bad knee went to Philly as backup 2002.
K Ryan Longwell
DT Billy Lyon - Back up signed by queens in 2003
DT Russell Maryland - 2000 only year with Packers - retired
CB Tod McBride - back up
LB Eugene McCaslin - one game with Packers/League
S Scott McGarrahan - signed by Miami in 2001.
CB Mike McKenzie - route jumper, poor tackler, toasted many times.
C/G Raleigh McKenzie - 16 year vet - two with Packers - retired 2001
RB Basil Mitchell - one game in 2000.
S Jason Moore - three games in 2000.
LB Mike Morton - ordinary LB
RB De'Mond Parker - eight games 2000.
G Marco Rivera
DT Austin Robbins - two games in 2000.
CB Allen Rossum - 22 games in 2000-2001, signed by Atl in 2002.
WR Bill Schroeder - Stats do lie. No insticts and alligator arms. Signed by Detroit 2002.
S/CB Darren Sharper - talented, often nicked up, drive questionable, route jumber, toasted often.
RB Matt Snider - back up in 2000.
T/G Barry Stokes - back up 2000-2001
T/G Mark Tauscher - Rookie-started in place of Dotson.
DE John Thierry - 2000-2001 with Packer - 28 games 10 sacks.
T Ross Verba - moved to guard in 2000 - not resigned for 2001
G Mike Wahle - moved to guard in 2001
DT Steve Warren - 2000 back up DT, out 2001, 12 games 2002
LB Nate Wayne - Starter - released after 2002.
TE Ryan Wetnight - 10 games in 2000. Three catches 20 yards.
LB Brian Williams - Knee injury in 1999 ruined career. Four games in 2000.
LB K.D. Williams - Back up - some starts I think.
CB Tyrone Williams - release after 2002 - total of nine games 2003-2004.
C Frank Winters - retired after the 2002 season.
QB Danny Wuerffel - back up - played in one game with the Packers - rushed twice for minus two yards.
Not exactly a team that would strike fear into other team. The Packers did have Favre and the makings of a good offensive line, not much of a receiving corps and a good young unknown running back, Ahman Green.
The Packers were light good players on the dl, lb and the secondary. It's not a defense, or a team for that matter, that you'd write home about. It's amazing the Packers went 9-7. The Packers got no help in the 2001 draft but went 12-4 the next two years. Sherman must have been using smoke and mirrors.
As I see it, Sherman's good W/L record and the make up of the drafts kept the Packers from getting players of better quality to fit the Packers' needs, forcing Sherman to reach for players with upside. The glaring needs at LB, DB and on the DLine made Sherman re-sign Hunt, KGB, Diggs and sign Joe Johnson to big contracts later on. KGB received a contract offer from Philly and Diggs got one from Detroit which the Packers matched. Only KGB came close to being the player the Packers thought he'd be.
Playoff Loses:
Philly - I still can't believe that people blame Sherman for that as the Packers made enough mistakes in that game to stop drives for any team to lose. The Packers weren't that good. They didn't have a very good defense and had to win their last four and six out of their last seven games to win the division and get into the playoffs at 10-6. Favre had the broken thumb and the Packers wouldn't have been in it at all if not for Arizona's TD with no time on the clock to beat the queens. Also, Denver rested their starter for the Packer's last game. What really won the game for Philly was McNabb who scrambled out of trouble and got first downs while rushing 11 times for 107 yards.
Atlanta - The Packers were just too beat up to compete against the Falcons and Vick. The week before against the Jets should have had everyone prepared for the loss to the Falcons.
Minn - The Packers still didn't have a good defense after all these years and were down by 17 points within the first 10 minutes. That game was a preview of the 2004 season, as the only legitmate wr was Driver with Fergie out and Walker going down with a shin injury. Green was hurt but plugged along for 80 yards and Davenport hurt his shoulder or ribs again in that game but came back in to score a touchdown, early in the fourth quarter. I believe that was his last appearance. He had five carries.
This is the team that Sherman inherited in 2000.
DB Chris Akins - a hot headed nobody but good on ST.
S Gary Berry - four games - Injury I believe
P Josh Bidwell - Average punter
LB David Bowens - one year player with the Packers - had 3.5 sacks.
WR Corey Bradford - played in two games - no catches- to Houston in the expansion draft.
S LeRoy Butler - injuried and retired after 9th game in 2001.
T Chad Clifton - Rookie starter about 4th game, I believe.
C/DT Rob Davis
WR Tyrone Davis - 27 games, 31 catches and 3 td's in last three seasons - 2000-2002.
LB Na'il Diggs - Rookie
T Earl Dotson - started two games. Back injury.
DT Santana Dotson - 2001 was last year.
WR Donald Driver - 37 catches 1999-2001. 1st 1000 yd season was 2002.
S Antuan Edwards - bum
QB Brett Favre
C Mike Flanagan
TE Bubba Franks - rookie
WR Antonio Freeman - Lost speed after big contract
DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - Rookie
LB Chris Gizzi - carried the flag onto the field after 9-11.
RB Herbert Goodman - four rushes for minus 3 yards in two years.
RB Ahman Green - First year with the Packers.
LB Bernardo Harris - Decent LB - released after the 2001 season.
QB Matt Hasselbeck - traded to seattle with Packers 1st pick for Seattle's 1st pick in 2001 - Jamal Reynolds.
FB William Henderson -
DE Vonnie Holliday - released or traded after knee injury in 2002.
DT Cletidus Hunt - miscast DE - not a tackle.
WR Charles Lee - with Packers 2001-2002. 12 receptions and one TD.
RB Dorsey Levens - 20 games 2000-2001. 121 carries 3 td's. Bad knee went to Philly as backup 2002.
K Ryan Longwell
DT Billy Lyon - Back up signed by queens in 2003
DT Russell Maryland - 2000 only year with Packers - retired
CB Tod McBride - back up
LB Eugene McCaslin - one game with Packers/League
S Scott McGarrahan - signed by Miami in 2001.
CB Mike McKenzie - route jumper, poor tackler, toasted many times.
C/G Raleigh McKenzie - 16 year vet - two with Packers - retired 2001
RB Basil Mitchell - one game in 2000.
S Jason Moore - three games in 2000.
LB Mike Morton - ordinary LB
RB De'Mond Parker - eight games 2000.
G Marco Rivera
DT Austin Robbins - two games in 2000.
CB Allen Rossum - 22 games in 2000-2001, signed by Atl in 2002.
WR Bill Schroeder - Stats do lie. No insticts and alligator arms. Signed by Detroit 2002.
S/CB Darren Sharper - talented, often nicked up, drive questionable, route jumber, toasted often.
RB Matt Snider - back up in 2000.
T/G Barry Stokes - back up 2000-2001
T/G Mark Tauscher - Rookie-started in place of Dotson.
DE John Thierry - 2000-2001 with Packer - 28 games 10 sacks.
T Ross Verba - moved to guard in 2000 - not resigned for 2001
G Mike Wahle - moved to guard in 2001
DT Steve Warren - 2000 back up DT, out 2001, 12 games 2002
LB Nate Wayne - Starter - released after 2002.
TE Ryan Wetnight - 10 games in 2000. Three catches 20 yards.
LB Brian Williams - Knee injury in 1999 ruined career. Four games in 2000.
LB K.D. Williams - Back up - some starts I think.
CB Tyrone Williams - release after 2002 - total of nine games 2003-2004.
C Frank Winters - retired after the 2002 season.
QB Danny Wuerffel - back up - played in one game with the Packers - rushed twice for minus two yards.
Not exactly a team that would strike fear into other team. The Packers did have Favre and the makings of a good offensive line, not much of a receiving corps and a good young unknown running back, Ahman Green.
The Packers were light good players on the dl, lb and the secondary. It's not a defense, or a team for that matter, that you'd write home about. It's amazing the Packers went 9-7. The Packers got no help in the 2001 draft but went 12-4 the next two years. Sherman must have been using smoke and mirrors.
As I see it, Sherman's good W/L record and the make up of the drafts kept the Packers from getting players of better quality to fit the Packers' needs, forcing Sherman to reach for players with upside. The glaring needs at LB, DB and on the DLine made Sherman re-sign Hunt, KGB, Diggs and sign Joe Johnson to big contracts later on. KGB received a contract offer from Philly and Diggs got one from Detroit which the Packers matched. Only KGB came close to being the player the Packers thought he'd be.
