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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 499714" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">"Bashing" and telling the truth are not necessarily mutually exclusive and telling the truth based on what you see is also known as an <em>opinion</em>. For example in the post in which you claim not to bash anyone you write, "He's total and absolute crap!" That is not close to attempting an objective analysis - which would be at least an attempt at the truth. Instead it's purely opinion hyperbolically expressed. Nothing wrong with that, unless it's presented as "the truth".</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I don't think there's a single poster on this site who would claim Hawk has lived up to his draft position or his compensation. I don't remember a single poster complaining that Hawk was forced to take a pay cut (except those who thought he should have been waived instead). I would not have been upset if after releasing Hawk in March of 2011 they wouldn't have re-signed him (they did so the next day). And I complained about the rich deal they struck with him at the time. The fact they trimmed a total of about $7M from his deal this season through 2015 indicates how out of line his 2011 deal was. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">However, here's a couple of sources of information that sincerely attempt to be objective. First, Pro Football Focus lists him as the #20 ILB in 2012. PFF has no reason to inflate Hawk's production. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Second, in his season-ending column in which he grades every Packer, McGinn gives Hawk a B-minus. Here's part of what he writes about Hawk: </span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">He goes on to say he missed 9 tackles in 2012 after missing 15 in 2011. He also details Hawk's negatives</span>: </span></p><p><a href="http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/individual-report-card-defense-2b8e22q-187608681.html" target="_blank">http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/individual-report-card-defense-2b8e22q-187608681.html</a></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">So <u>even with Hawk's negatives</u>, an objective analysis of Hawk's play last season has to include that he led the team's ILBs in tackles per snap; allowed the fewest plays of 20 yards or more (in 833 snaps) among all LBs (but he didn't play in the dime); and led the team in tackles for loss. In that light, "He's total and absolute crap!" looks more like the ranting of a hysterical fan than someone attempting to get at the truth while avoiding bashing anyone. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">BTW, Hawk is 29 years old. I only mention that because it represents the <em>absolute</em> truth.<img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /> </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 499714, member: 4300"] [FONT=Georgia][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]"Bashing" and telling the truth are not necessarily mutually exclusive and telling the truth based on what you see is also known as an [I]opinion[/I]. For example in the post in which you claim not to bash anyone you write, "He's total and absolute crap!" That is not close to attempting an objective analysis - which would be at least an attempt at the truth. Instead it's purely opinion hyperbolically expressed. Nothing wrong with that, unless it's presented as "the truth".[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]I don't think there's a single poster on this site who would claim Hawk has lived up to his draft position or his compensation. I don't remember a single poster complaining that Hawk was forced to take a pay cut (except those who thought he should have been waived instead). I would not have been upset if after releasing Hawk in March of 2011 they wouldn't have re-signed him (they did so the next day). And I complained about the rich deal they struck with him at the time. The fact they trimmed a total of about $7M from his deal this season through 2015 indicates how out of line his 2011 deal was. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]However, here's a couple of sources of information that sincerely attempt to be objective. First, Pro Football Focus lists him as the #20 ILB in 2012. PFF has no reason to inflate Hawk's production. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Second, in his season-ending column in which he grades every Packer, McGinn gives Hawk a B-minus. Here's part of what he writes about Hawk: [/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=georgia] [/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]He goes on to say he missed 9 tackles in 2012 after missing 15 in 2011. He also details Hawk's negatives[/SIZE]: [FONT=georgia][/FONT][/FONT] [url]http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/individual-report-card-defense-2b8e22q-187608681.html[/url] [SIZE=3][FONT=arial]So [U]even with Hawk's negatives[/U], an objective analysis of Hawk's play last season has to include that he led the team's ILBs in tackles per snap; allowed the fewest plays of 20 yards or more (in 833 snaps) among all LBs (but he didn't play in the dime); and led the team in tackles for loss. In that light, "He's total and absolute crap!" looks more like the ranting of a hysterical fan than someone attempting to get at the truth while avoiding bashing anyone. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=arial]BTW, Hawk is 29 years old. I only mention that because it represents the [I]absolute[/I] truth.;) [/FONT][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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