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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 512815" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p>You were presented with evidence/analysis stating several occasions where it was the players at fault and not the scheme. You post there isn’t any way for you to confirm or contradict that analysis. But you are posting as if you have contradicted it (by continuing to post over and over it's the scheme). That is what is disingenuous about your posting.</p><p></p><p>The number of yards surrendered overall and the number surrendered to an individual WR do not prove the scheme didn’t work because the cause could also be mistakes by the players, as the jsonline piece pointed out. This is from that same jsonline article: So according to this, the Packers defended the original route, then failed to contain Kaep, allowing him to escape to the defense’s left and Williams failed to make a play. That's at least in part the players' fault. According to McGinn the Packers blitzed on 32.5% of passing plays. That’s not a lot but that’s not “he wouldn’t blitz” either. And yes, Capers is responsible not only for the development of players but also for the work of his assistant coaches and how they develop players. But how good are the players who are not developing? One poster in particular (sorry I don’t recall who) frequently makes the point that until players who have left the Packers become good or great players elsewhere there’s no evidence the Packers coaches are failing to develop players. For example, how good is MD Jennings (<em>why can’t the coaches make him add 20 pounds of muscle?</em>); how would other DCs do if one of their only options was to put J. Bush on the field? But regarding Boldin, you admit you don’t know if the examples from the jsonline story are correct, you admit you don’t know how often Boldin was doubled and you are wrong about ‘Capers wouldn’t blitz’. So maybe you don’t know as much of the scheme as you think.</p><p></p><p>I’m certainly not saying Capers bears no responsibility. What I am saying is IMO those that believe it’s only the scheme at fault are wrong. Give Capers another legit pass rusher to team with Clay and an enforcer in the defensive backfield (or at least two legit starting safties) and he’ll “all of a sudden” look much, much smarter and so will his scheme. Probably 2010 smart (Cullen Jenkins, Nick Collins, Charles Woodson…).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 512815, member: 4300"] You were presented with evidence/analysis stating several occasions where it was the players at fault and not the scheme. You post there isn’t any way for you to confirm or contradict that analysis. But you are posting as if you have contradicted it (by continuing to post over and over it's the scheme). That is what is disingenuous about your posting. The number of yards surrendered overall and the number surrendered to an individual WR do not prove the scheme didn’t work because the cause could also be mistakes by the players, as the jsonline piece pointed out. This is from that same jsonline article: So according to this, the Packers defended the original route, then failed to contain Kaep, allowing him to escape to the defense’s left and Williams failed to make a play. That's at least in part the players' fault. According to McGinn the Packers blitzed on 32.5% of passing plays. That’s not a lot but that’s not “he wouldn’t blitz” either. And yes, Capers is responsible not only for the development of players but also for the work of his assistant coaches and how they develop players. But how good are the players who are not developing? One poster in particular (sorry I don’t recall who) frequently makes the point that until players who have left the Packers become good or great players elsewhere there’s no evidence the Packers coaches are failing to develop players. For example, how good is MD Jennings ([I]why can’t the coaches make him add 20 pounds of muscle?[/I]); how would other DCs do if one of their only options was to put J. Bush on the field? But regarding Boldin, you admit you don’t know if the examples from the jsonline story are correct, you admit you don’t know how often Boldin was doubled and you are wrong about ‘Capers wouldn’t blitz’. So maybe you don’t know as much of the scheme as you think. I’m certainly not saying Capers bears no responsibility. What I am saying is IMO those that believe it’s only the scheme at fault are wrong. Give Capers another legit pass rusher to team with Clay and an enforcer in the defensive backfield (or at least two legit starting safties) and he’ll “all of a sudden” look much, much smarter and so will his scheme. Probably 2010 smart (Cullen Jenkins, Nick Collins, Charles Woodson…). [/QUOTE]
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