How should Packers address CB

[Chris H]

I think the packers should wait on a CB in the draft get bigger need like an OL,RB or pass rusher before they go get CB. I think Randall and Rollins will bounce back after their sophomore slump. They also were bang up lots last year. And the addition of House might boost the position too

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hard to imagine a bigger need than we currently have at CB. House may have helped some, but not nearly enough. So yes, with TT doing nothing else in FA, the Packers are either going to have to get lucky on an early round CB pick and/or pray that the young CB's currently on the roster stay healthy and play much better than last season.

Otherwise, the only way to address it will be with a flare gun, to signal for help!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

There's absolutely no doubt that cornerback is currently the Packers' biggest weakness. Thompson should have addressed the position in free agency but unfortunately decided to stay pat aside of bringing back House.

It's probable TT will use an early rounder on a CB but as most rookies at the position take several years to develop into decent starters at the pro level that might not be good enough.

While highly unlikely there's still the possibility of acquiring a #1 CB with a draft or by signing Butler or Cockrell to an offer sheet.

The team solely relying on Randall and Rollins to bounce back in a huge way is insane.

 

[Reese2017]

Only God can help Randall ,how can anybody be that awful WOW

 

[Pkrjones]

While highly unlikely there's still the possibility of acquiring a #1 CB with a draft or by signing Butler or Cockrell to an offer sheet.

Still holding out hope that TT makes a run at Cockrell before the 4/21 RFA offer sheet deadline. Maybe he's waiting for the Steelers to burn a little more of their $15.9Mil cap space, first?

 

[Mondio]

I expect another DB or 3 to be added thru any means for competition, but what is going to help this team most is consistent pass rush. I know we had sacks last year, but largely, opposing qb's had great pockets to pass from much of the time. A well timed sack is helpful, no doubt. But consistently collapsing the pocket helps more throughout the game. You squeeze the qb and get some hits and you get in his head. It changes everything.

 

[Half Empty]

I expect another DB or 3 to be added thru any means for competition, but what is going to help this team most is consistent pass rush. I know we had sacks last year, but largely, opposing qb's had great pockets to pass from much of the time. A well timed sack is helpful, no doubt. But consistently collapsing the pocket helps more throughout the game. You squeeze the qb and get some hits and you get in his head. It changes everything.

Can't tell from the context. Are you saying that they're going to have a more consistent pass rush or that you'd prefer that they do?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I expect another DB or 3 to be added thru any means for competition, but what is going to help this team most is consistent pass rush. I know we had sacks last year, but largely, opposing qb's had great pockets to pass from much of the time. A well timed sack is helpful, no doubt. But consistently collapsing the pocket helps more throughout the game. You squeeze the qb and get some hits and you get in his head. It changes everything.

I agree with you on the Pass Rush helps the secondary and vice versa. The problem is, TT did absolutely nothing to improve the pass rush, if anything it will be worse with the loss of Peppers. I don't consider the resigning of Perry as improving anything from what we already had in 2016. So just like the CB position, unless the Packers hit it big with a draft choice or development of their current players, I am not expecting a big improvement in pass rushing either. Clay may be the wild card here. If he can stay injury free and somehow returns back to the Clay we once knew, there is some hope.

The interesting part of the "pass rush", the Packers were 5th in the NFL in sacks last year (40) which was only 8 behind the league leading Cardinals. So like Mondio said, it isn't just sacks, but more pressure on the QB. Anyone have the stats on the average time opposing QB's had to get rid of the ball against the Packers defense last year?

 

[PackAttack12]

I think the packers should wait on a CB in the draft get bigger need like an OL,RB or pass rusher before they go get CB. I think Randall and Rollins will bounce back after their sophomore slump. They also were bang up lots last year. And the addition of House might boost the position too

IMO, Ted Thompson should have addressed that on day 1 of free agency, but until I see the finished product, I'll reserve judgment on his offseason. The moves that he has made so far have been productive, but he still has a long way to go.

Ultimately, I agree with Captain that soley relying upon bounce back years from Randall and Rollins is utterly insane. You have to assume that they will remain constant, while being pleasantly surprised if they do make huge leaps forward.

I don't feel comfortable with attempting to address CB through the draft as an effective strategy in addressing the position if we're trying to win SB 52.

 

[Mondio]

and what was Ted supposed to do? I get that Barwin was available and we're all just guessing our ***** off that he wasn't going to continue his downward trend that he's been on the past 2 seasons and getting older. Other than that it's not as if there was anybody other than Perry worth anything more than a minimum contract with minimum contribution to be expected at this point.

I know where the Packers ranked in sacks, I also saw QB's in many games just sitting back there without a soul around them every time they dropped back. Sacks came in bunches and our pressure was very inconsistent.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I expect another DB or 3 to be added thru any means for competition, but what is going to help this team most is consistent pass rush. I know we had sacks last year, but largely, opposing qb's had great pockets to pass from much of the time. A well timed sack is helpful, no doubt. But consistently collapsing the pocket helps more throughout the game. You squeeze the qb and get some hits and you get in his head. It changes everything.

I agree that pressuring opposing quarterbacks on a consistent basis is more important than getting an occasional sack. You continue to ignore that the Packers cornerbacks weren't able to cover receivers for at least two seconds on numerous plays making it impossible for the pass rushers to do their job.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

and what was Ted supposed to do?

Take steps to improve a very pathetic defense, besides using injuries and the promise of growth as an excuse not to. Resigning Perry didn't improve it, only kept it from getting worse. Not resigning Hyde or Peppers and only signing House were by no means a way to improve the overall defense. There were lots of options out there at both CB and OLB, TT just decided that either he didn't see a need or he couldn't justify the cost, other teams felt different.

 

[Mondio]

Take steps to improve a very pathetic defense, besides using injuries and the promise of growth as an excuse not to. Resigning Perry didn't improve it, only kept it from getting worse. Not resigning Hyde or Peppers and only signing House were by no means a way to improve the overall defense. There were lots of options out there at both CB and OLB, TT just decided that either he didn't see a need or he couldn't justify the cost, other teams felt different.

copout.

You said he needed to take steps to improve the pass rush, now you tell us who. simple question. Peppers is on his way out and wanted to go home to Carolina. Now you give us the names of all the pass rushing specialists that Ted did not sign that would have helped. It's not a trick question.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You said he needed to take steps to improve the pass rush, now you tell us who. simple question. Peppers is on his way out and wanted to go home to Carolina. Now you give us the names of all the pass rushing specialists that Ted did not sign that would have helped. It's not a trick question.

Jabaal Sheard or John Simon would for sure have presented an upgrade over Fackrell and Elliott just to name a couple.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

copout.

You said he needed to take steps to improve the pass rush, now you tell us who. simple question. Peppers is on his way out and wanted to go home to Carolina. Now you give us the names of all the pass rushing specialists that Ted did not sign that would have helped. It's not a trick question.

One, you are assuming that Free Agency was the only way to improve, it isn't. Two if you believe this:

not as if there was anybody other than Perry worth anything more than a minimum contract with minimum contribution to be expected at this point.

Then you have already made your mind up that there was absolutely nobody available to the Packers that would improve their defense and me giving you a list of Free Agent or trade options, that could have improved the Packer defense, is a worthless exercise.

 

[Mondio]

still no answer? you made a specific statement to which I asked a specific question, twice, now 3 times. i know the definition of insanity, but here it goes, who?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

still no answer? you made a specific statement to which I asked a specific question, twice, now 3 times. i know the definition of insanity, but here it goes, who?

Your question and qualifying statement are the same as a kid saying "I want a cookie, but I won't accept any cookies that you have to offer". So I ask, why present you with any cookies at all? But I will throw you a crumb, the menu of cookies is well documented by me and other posters in various threads since the season ended.

 

[C-Lee]

This forum has become so hostile. We really need a ring this year!

 

[Mondio]

4th time, to refresh, you said,

The problem is, TT did absolutely nothing to improve the pass rush, if anything it will be worse with the loss of Peppers. I don't consider the resigning of Perry as improving anything from what we already had in 2016.

to which I asked,

and what was Ted supposed to do? I get that Barwin was available and we're all just guessing our ***** off that he wasn't going to continue his downward trend that he's been on the past 2 seasons and getting older. Other than that it's not as if there was anybody other than Perry worth anything more than a minimum contract with minimum contribution to be expected at this point.

and you answered,

Take steps to improve a very pathetic defense

...

You said he needed to take steps to improve the pass rush, now you tell us who. simple question. Peppers is on his way out and wanted to go home to Carolina. Now you give us the names of all the pass rushing specialists that Ted did not sign that would have helped. It's not a trick question.

so 4th time, who? No cookies, just a name. Go on record. Now is your chance. No more cop outs. Just a name, or 2. You say Peppers for 3.5 million. I would have signed him for 2 or 3 as well, but I think him leaving had as much to do with wanting to go to a place he has a lot of roots from college on and finish his career as anything. Plus I don't think he's going to offer much outside of a specialist and a mediocre one at that. He had a couple moments last year and that's all they were. I saw him look like an old man on a lot of running plays too. Other than that? you seem to imply he missed out on everybody, so who?

 

[rodell330]

Only God can help Randall ,how can anybody be that awful WOW

Not just him...Rollins was equally as bad.. and Gunter imo was the worst starting corner in football.

 

[C-Lee]

Not just him...Rollins was equally as bad.. and Gunter imo was the worst starting corner in football.

Bro, he's a 23 year old undrafted free agent who should have been the #4 corner last year at best. He had to go against some of the best WR's in the league. He did okay on Julio the first time and OBJ too.

To say he's the worst corner in the NFL almost seems unfair to say. He's too slow but he has good instincts.

 

[C-Lee]

Rollins was our worst corner last season. Absolute nightmare to watch, and he was pretty good his first season! Let's just hope both him and Randall are the "Davante Adams" of next season and bounce back.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Bro, he's a 23 year old undrafted free agent who should have been the #4 corner last year at best. He had to go against some of the best WR's in the league. He did okay on Julio the first time and OBJ too.

Yet the Packers seem to rely on two cornerbacks in Randall and Rollins that fell behind Gunter on the depth chart in 2016 to rejuvenate the position next season. That doesn't sound like a solid plan to me.

 

[C-Lee]

Yet the Packers seem to rely on two cornerbacks in Randall and Rollins that fell behind Gunter on the depth chart in 2016 to rejuvenate the position next season. That doesn't sound like a solid plan to me.

I'm not happy with the CB situation either, but stranger things have happened.

We've seen both Randall and Rollins play well in the past, maybe they get it together and stay healthy next season. Everyone wanted to CUT Davante Adams last season and he looks like he's on his way to becoming a stud. We can't give up just yet.

Bringing in House "helps" but I really think we'll be okay if TT hits a homerun on a CB in the draft.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We've seen both Randall and Rollins play well in the past, maybe they get it together and stay healthy next season. Everyone wanted to CUT Davante Adams last season and he looks like he's on his way to becoming a stud. We can't give up just yet.

I'm not ready to give up on Randall or Rollins but on the other hand don't want the team to heavily rely on them to bounce back in a huge way either.

BTW none of them has performed even at a decent level without being aided by a veteran #1 cornerback on the field.