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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TouchdownPackers" data-source="post: 747646" data-attributes="member: 12738">I started getting serious about football when Mike Holmgren was our coach. Not just because of Green Bay; I just liked watching football and my dad liked several teams including the Packers. But living halfway between the Browns and Bungles (people used to call the Bengals that every year), I knew a lot about perennial losers who don't know how to win. They just weren't the pre-Favre Packers. There were many problems with those franchises that caused them to suck from top to bottom. I had no reason to be a Bungles fan except the fact they were on TV almost every Sunday. Not with players saying they want to play for other teams, a coach quitting midseason because he could not bear losing anymore, Mike Brown making football decisions, etc.The Packers OTOH live and die with the QB. Between Bart Starr and Favre, they were bad. When Aaron Rodgers has a broken collarbone, they are bad. Sure, there are other reasons, but they are NOT in any way like the 1990s Bungles. I can root for a team if its reasons for losing a lot of games do not include tanking for draft picks that will end up busting out of the league in a few years.</blockquote>

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