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Hawk on Yahoo's "All Overrated Team"

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Ceodore, Nov 9, 2011.

  1. Ceodore

    Ceodore Cheesehead

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    I would probably tend to agree.

    link: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...=AgV8n55h9ZiFp6.kSTDHPjxDubYF?urn=nfl-wp11384
     
  2. bozz_2006

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    "The Packer's defense is great".... Uh.....
     
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  3. Ceodore

    Ceodore Cheesehead

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    ha i lol'ed at that too.
     
  4. packerfan4ever

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    :D Their warming up
     
  5. slaughter25

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    I agree that hawk isnt a great LB he is good enough but not great. And also I would agree that his numbers are down from last year. But tackles are a weird stat, a lot of times a half tackle here and tackle there could easily be credited to someone else involved in the tackle itself. But what I dont agree with is that he is actually rated much higher than his performance is showing, we've always known he can't cover, is OK at blitzing and OK at defending the run. Last year he proved he could step up and also "qb" the defense, that's why we resigned him not that he was some great talent or even a top 5 ILB in the league. I would say maybe his biggest disappointment is in the fact that he was drafted so high, but being a long term starter in this league is a good accomplishment regardless if you put up HOF numbers.
     
  6. Aaron rodgers is god

    Aaron rodgers is god Cheesehead

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    I wonder why Takeo Spikes is on there. He is pretty old
     
  7. Forget Favre

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    It's just weird and wrong to think of AJ being overrated.
    He's not in the limelight enough to warrant such thoughts.
     
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  8. bozz_2006

    bozz_2006 Cheesehead

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    I hope this pisses him off.
     
  9. IluvGB

    IluvGB I <3 Packers!!!!

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    seriously?? penchant = once?!?!! unless I missed something!
     
  10. ivo610

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    I think its been pretty clear on here that I am no AJ hawk fan so I feel no reason to pile on.
     
  11. Croak

    Croak Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Yeah, I didn't like his antics, but Barnett was a bigger asset. Now he's become a leader on his new team. Go figure.
     
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  12. Mr. StyleZ

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    I agree with FF you have to be talk about a lot in positive ways to be "overrated".

    If there was an "underrated" list, Bishop should be on it.
     
  13. peteralan71

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    Ya I looked to see if that post was made last year!
     
  14. bozz_2006

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    Bishop has been very ho-hum this year, IMO. A step back from last year....
     
  15. Croak

    Croak Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Yeah, I noticed that too. Some of these guys who really stepped up their game at the end of the season last year have been kind of ho-hum this year. What gives?
     
  16. FrankRizzo

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    Bishop is 2nd in the NFL in tackles right now.
    Sure he can't cover Antonio Gates one-on-one, but he's been very good in the middle for us.
    And he leads our team in sacks right now, halfway thru the season.

    I'm not sure that's a step down from last year TBH.
     
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  17. Kitten

    Kitten Feline Cheesehead Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I really like Hawk. He many not be the best player on the team, but he gives his all. If TT is keeping him around he is doing so for a good reason. In TT we trust.
     
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  18. AmishMafia

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    Are tackles a relevant stat?

    From last season the Ravens had:
    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Player_Roster/Statistics.aspx

    Opponents had these plays:

    384 rushes
    +349 pass completions
    +27 sacks (tackles not in above stats)
    -27 TDs (no tackles)
    -73 plays (figure 10% of plays) there is no tackle (runs out of bounds)

    This leaves 653 potential plays for a tackle.

    The Ravens report 963 tackles. Thats about 1.5 tackles per play.

    I'm too lazy too go back, but I did this a few years ago and they had over 2.5 tackles per play.
     
  19. Croak

    Croak Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    So I have this image in my head of the poor running back getting tackled, then getting up and getting tackled again, then getting up....
     
  20. bozz_2006

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    I just go by what my eyes tell me, and I see a guy who isn't moving and flowing as fast as last season.
     
  21. Ceodore

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    I can't even agree that Hawk is good in defense. . He is an average player at best and at worst he is a liability. I would give him the average grade due to his ability to QB the defense and the fact that he is apparently assignment sure. He is a liability because he is slow, doesn't cover well and at times looks like he doesn't want to tackle. Sure, he will pile on as the 2nd or 3rd tackler on any given play but I see too many times on plays where he is trailing the receiver, stone-walled by blockers or blown up by RBs.

    I'm not expecting the next coming of Ray Nitschke at LB but I would like to see a better and more hard-nosed athlete than Hawk has been. If we want to improve our LB corps, it is obvious that we need another OLB to partner up with Matthews but then next priority on the list should be to upgrade Hawk's ILB position if possible.
     
  23. Havners Heroes

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    The only reason Hawk even makes an "overrated" team is because of his draft position. As far as I'm concerned, you have to be at least "rated" to be "overrated," haha. Hawk is just mediocre, there's not a lot of people who think otherwise.
     
  24. Bogart

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    The funniest thing in that article is Albert Haynesworth

    Remember when the Pats got him and everyone was saying how that was Super Bowl moves? ESPN said it was another move by "genius" Bellichek, and they just cut him lol

    I hate to say it, but our defense all around has not been great this year with the exception of Woodson and interceptions. Hawk is just one of many that could be getting heat.
     
  25. greenandgold

    greenandgold I'm Dirty Hairy Callahan

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    Yahoo says, huh?

    Anybody remember this gem from Yahoo in 2005?

     

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