Havel changing his mind about TT?

[dxbfan]

Chris Havel column: It's hard to criticize these moves now

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061115/PKR07/611150516/1989

 

[Zero2Cool]

Maybe the team is changing his mind and he's proving that he calls it like he sees it as well as he isn't it a know it all??

 

[packerfan1245]

I like the players we r getting

 

[Greg C.]

It's good to see that Havel changed his weird opinion on A.J. Hawk, but I still have to wonder what he had against Hawk in the first place.

 

[Zero2Cool]

It's good to see that Havel changed his weird opinion on A.J. Hawk, but I still have to wonder what he had against Hawk in the first place.

I have nothing to base this off of other than listening to his radio show everyday an reading his articles, but he was hell bent on that TE Davis guy being drafted as a Packer. I think that may have had something to do with it

 

[Raider Pride]

It's good to see that Havel changed his weird opinion on A.J. Hawk, but I still have to wonder what he had against Hawk in the first place.

Havel does not like big guys with long hair.

It may be childhood based callenge.

RP

 

[Greg C.]

It's good to see that Havel changed his weird opinion on A.J. Hawk, but I still have to wonder what he had against Hawk in the first place.

Havel does not like big guys with long hair.

It may be childhood based callenge.

RP

Ah, that explains it. I knew you'd come through, RP!

 

[Cory]

Maybe the team is changing his mind and he's proving that he calls it like he sees it as well as he isn't it a know it all??

I'll never respect Havel after what he was saying about Hawk. He literally said Hawk couldn't cut it in the NFL and then when Hawk started shining a little bit in the preseason he backtracked bigtime and stated he never made any type of definitive statement about him.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Maybe the team is changing his mind and he's proving that he calls it like he sees it as well as he isn't it a know it all??

I'll never respect Havel after what he was saying about Hawk. He literally said Hawk couldn't cut it in the NFL and then when Hawk started shining a little bit in the preseason he backtracked bigtime and stated he never made any type of definitive statement about him.

That's contrary to everything I've heard and read about Hawk from Havel. Obviously I can't hear/read everything so could you provide the article that stated Hawk couldn't cut it in the NFL?

This seems like slander to me.

 

[Cory]

Maybe the team is changing his mind and he's proving that he calls it like he sees it as well as he isn't it a know it all??

I'll never respect Havel after what he was saying about Hawk. He literally said Hawk couldn't cut it in the NFL and then when Hawk started shining a little bit in the preseason he backtracked bigtime and stated he never made any type of definitive statement about him.

That's contrary to everything I've heard and read about Hawk from Havel. Obviously I can't hear/read everything so could you provide the article that stated Hawk couldn't cut it in the NFL?

This seems like slander to me.

I'll see if I can find it in the archives. I believe it was even before the preseaon started. What was said was that it wasn't fair to move Barnett out of his MLB position in favor of Hodge because a "certain high draft pick can't cut it at OLB"...

 

[Zero2Cool]

Hmm... that sounds familar too ... if thats true he really flip flopped pretty quick ... i listen to him on the radio atleast three times a week on my way to college an he says some pretty encourgaging things about the guy ... or maybe im listening with my greend an gold beltones

 

[Greg C.]

I'll see if I can find it in the archives. I believe it was even before the preseaon started. What was said was that it wasn't fair to move Barnett out of his MLB position in favor of Hodge because a "certain high draft pick can't cut it at OLB"...

Saying he can't cut it at OLB is a lot different from saying he can't cut it in the NFL. Still, it was a little strange how much Havel was nitpicking on Hawk for awhile there, when Hawk was seen by almost everyone as a can't-miss prospect. Maybe Havel just decided to take the opposite point of view so he would look really smart if he turned out to be right. But there must be something more to it than that. Raider Pride's explanation is still the best one I've heard (it's also the only one).

 

[Cory]

Hmm... that sounds familar too ... if thats true he really flip flopped pretty quick ... i listen to him on the radio atleast three times a week on my way to college an he says some pretty encourgaging things about the guy ... or maybe im listening with my greend an gold beltones

No, youre right he does as I saw on a "video blog" of his that "AJ is the real deal" and whatnot. I do feel he flip flopped on the issue, but it did seem most of the writers wanted Davis.

 

[Cory]

I'll see if I can find it in the archives. I believe it was even before the preseaon started. What was said was that it wasn't fair to move Barnett out of his MLB position in favor of Hodge because a "certain high draft pick can't cut it at OLB"...

Saying he can't cut it at OLB is a lot different from saying he can't cut it in the NFL. Still, it was a little strange how much Havel was nitpicking on Hawk for awhile there, when Hawk was seen by almost everyone as a can't-miss prospect. Maybe Havel just decided to take the opposite point of view so he would look really smart if he turned out to be right. But there must be something more to it than that. Raider Pride's explanation is still the best one I've heard (it's also the only one).

I believe he was upset about not getting Davis.

 

[longtimefan]

It's good to see that Havel changed his weird opinion on A.J. Hawk, but I still have to wonder what he had against Hawk in the first place.

Havel does not like big guys with long hair.

It may be childhood based callenge.

RP

then why would Havel like Davis?
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[dxbfan]

I think Havel's views on TT would carry more weight if he maintained them after a loss. This article reminds me of the media euphoria after the Miami, Arizona wins and prior to the Buffalo game.

 

[Packnic]

just so everyone knows, ive been sayin this all along.

 

[Cory]

just so everyone knows, ive been sayin this all along.

Saying what all along?

 

[Greg C.]

I think Havel's views on TT would carry more weight if he maintained them after a loss. This article reminds me of the media euphoria after the Miami, Arizona wins and prior to the Buffalo game.

Well, I would expect opinions to be altered by wins and losses. That's better than stubbornly holding to one's opinion regardless of how the team is playing. And as far as I could see, the media saw the loss at Buffalo for what it was: The Packers continued to play very well in that game, but they threw the game away with a handful of bad plays. Havel has gradually upgraded his opinions on Hawk, Thompson, and McCarthy, and I give him credit for that.

 

[dxbfan]

I take your point Greg and perhaps there's a fine line between sticking to your views and coming across as stubborn or changing them and appearing whimsical. I just think Havel's jumped the gun a bit, articles of this nature are best left for the end of the season when its all done and dusted. What if Hawk has a terrible game, or MM makes another huge mistake or we end up with a losing season? Is Havel going to revert to his original opinion in that the moves were wrong?

 

[gator]

Havel is a clown--I wonder if he would make it at another paper in another town. I've found, as stated here, a certain inconsistency in his positions and a penchant for criticism of pretty much everything and at any time.
While I don't like/approve of tt (or by extension mn)...Havel's bootlicking at this time is fairly disturbing...