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Remember, Cedric WILL be back sometime in December.
I always liked Starks. Hope he can come back. He is the gritty type of runner that makes 3 or 4 yard gains when there is seemingly nothing. His comeback could do the same thing this year as happened in the 2010 season.
19 of the 20 attempts for Green amounted to only 20 yards?
Alex Green has terrible vision, I love the guy though.
I pointed out to my mom and my little kid something: Right after Green had gotten a handoff and run right into a wall at the LOS for no gain, we handed one off to Randall Cobb.
Cobb got the ball also heading into a wall of Rams (Packers OL doesn't know how to run-block), but Cobb saw it, and cut way to the left, and found space and gained a lot of yards.
If, or when, Green ever can start seeing better, he'll do a lot better.
Remember, Cedric WILL be back sometime in December.
Starks is just the #3 guy hopefully. But he was in 2010 too for most of the year.
Maybe you missed this post from a few prior:Enough of this BS. "Green has terrible vision"? "Packers line DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO RUN BLOCK"? Wow, I guess the team then ran on all last week must have a horrible defense huh? I guess Green went nowhere last week huh? Let's all puff out our chest and generalize then!
Every O-linman that's ever been on the field in the NFL has forgotten more about run blocking than you'll ever know. They sure got whipped today, but that neither means that Green suddenly has "terrible vision" or the lineman that blocked the run so well against the bears and colts and texans and seahawks (in the second half) suddenly don't know what they're doing. They guys in the other jerseys are pros too you know, and I'd put a solid $20 that in the not-too-distant-future Micheal Brockers is going to be a pro-bowl run stuffer, if not all-pro. They ran enough to set up the pass and that won't always look the same every week. Get off your high horse and talk about THE GAME instead of the BS global statements. Sheesh.
Wow, I guess the team then ran on all last week must have a horrible defense huh? I guess Green went nowhere last week huh?
Right, which clearly means that Green has terrible vision and that our lineman don't know how to run block. Clearly this one game implies huge, global generalizations. According to your statement, Green HAS terrible vision and so had it at Hawaii where he averaged 7 yards a carry and had it against the colts and texans and will have it next week and for the rest of the season and his career, so say you, the guy who knows everything about backs' vision. Our line DOESN'T KNOW HOW to run block, according to you, so evidently the times they've run it successfully this year (and for the rest of the year) didn't (and won't) happen.
To say, "they didn't gain many yards in the run game this week" is obviously true. No one will dispute that. To say that a back who has clearly shown at least decent vision in the VERY RECENT PAST has "terrible vision" and a group that has clearly done a good job run blocking LAST WEEK AGAINST A TOP DEFENSE "doesn't know how to run block" is totally different. For one, it implies that it's inherent to them as opposed to transient. Second, it put you, some internet clown, in the exulted position to pass judgement on them, now and forever. Don't pretend that it's not clear what you (and others who talk this kind of BS) are doing. Implicit is that you're somehow an expert on how a back should find the hole and if only our professional o-lineman (who have been playing at the highest level available to them their whole lives, by the way) knew as much about run blocking as you, they'd be kicking *** out there every week. Get off it. They didn't execute the plays that were called this game as well as last week. Part of that was probably them not being as on top of things as last week, part of it might be that it's a different defense, part of it might be that Brockers is a better run stuffing d-tackle than anyone the texans have, and part of it might be that they didn't set up the run to succeed this week the way they did in the past because they absolutely didn't need to to win. They had 400 yards of offense, if you didn't notice, so evidently they didn't need to game plan for the run to dominate in order to win comfortably. Like I said before, get off your high horse like you can look down on any of these guys and pass judgement.
Reminds me of a typical Ryan Grant day, except Grant would have a few more 10+ yard gains sprinkled in to give him a nice average. Many who did not watch Grant each game stated what a great back he was, based on his average per carry, but when it was 3rd and 1, Grant was almost a guarantee for a 3 and out. Grant hit the hole nicely, when there was one, and ripped off some nice yardage. But if he did not get past the first defenders, it was often for no gain or a loss. Starks, however, seemed to get the some yardage even when blocking was not there.Yes, sir, according to the ESPN unofficial box score: 20 for 35, long of 15. 8 of 20 were for no gain or minus yards. Only 6 of 20 for 3 or more yards. Here's the tale of the tape...somebody would have to comb the archives, but this is perhaps the worst 20+ run performance in the history of Packer football:
1st and 10: -1
2nd and 1: -2
1st. and 10: 2
2nd and 12: 5
1st. and 10: 2
1st. and 10: 3
1st. and 10: 3
1st. and 10: 1
2nd. and 1: 0
1st. and 10: 2
2nd. and 10: 15
2nd. and 6: 3
1st. and 6: 1
2nd. and 5: 0
1st. and 10: 0
1st. and 10: 2
1st. and 10: 5
2nd. and 5: -4
1st. and 10: -2
2nd. and 12: 0
He fell forward for one or two, after he fought his way through tacklers for 2 (or 3) yds. He was our game closer when we had the lead. No doubt, Starks played a role in taking us from playoff contender (barely) to Super Bowl winner.Second, one of Starks' best attributes is his ability to fall forward for one or two extra yards. When you start looking at YPG stats, that ability to fall forward through the defender makes a huge difference both in your stats and in giving better field position on second and third downs.
Enough of this BS. "Green has terrible vision"? "Packers line DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO RUN BLOCK"? Wow, I guess the team then ran on all last week must have a horrible defense huh? I guess Green went nowhere last week huh? Let's all puff out our chest and generalize then!
Every O-linman that's ever been on the field in the NFL has forgotten more about run blocking than you'll ever know. They sure got whipped today, but that neither means that Green suddenly has "terrible vision" or the lineman that blocked the run so well against the bears and colts and texans and seahawks (in the second half) suddenly don't know what they're doing. They guys in the other jerseys are pros too you know, and I'd put a solid $20 that in the not-too-distant-future Micheal Brockers is going to be a pro-bowl run stuffer, if not all-pro. They ran enough to set up the pass and that won't always look the same every week. Get off your high horse and talk about THE GAME instead of the BS global statements. Sheesh.
Tough talk from a guy who hasn't hobbled a mile in Starks' turf toe shoes