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The NFL cap was first introduced for the 1994 season and was initially $34.6 million. Whatever defense you play you need the guys to play.
I'm concerned about the depth at DE. Will Ted regret leaving Jenkins go??
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So what does Wolf have to do with the current situation??? Or the Eagles for that matter?? The point is we are periously thin at DL in my opinion. We saw how those big guys go down with injuries last year. The depth on the DL needs to be addressed.
The NFL cap was first introduced for the 1994 season and was initially $34.6 million. Whatever defense you play you need the guys to play.
I don't disagree you need more defensive linemen in a 4-3. That is the nature of the defense. But you still need 6 guys to play an effective 3-4. With one you need more DL with the other you need more LB's. We have 5 guys in my opinion at this point.Wolf himself said he couldn't work in today's environment. The difference between the defense he had to build was a big difference from Capers. The 4-3 emphasizes rushing ends like Reggie White. The 3-4 needs more run stopping ability from the d-line with some ability to rush. The 3-4 emphasizes aggressive LB play. There is a WORLD of difference between the two and how many men you need to fill the positions of the two. Wolf naturally needed more d lineman than Capers.
Exactly, during last year we lost Pickett, Neal, and Jenkins to injuries. Thank God the Jets cut Green and we picked him up. I reiterate we need more depth on the DL.
I don't disagree you need more defensive linemen in a 4-3. That is the nature of the defense. But you still need 6 guys to play an effective 3-4. With one you need more DL with the other you need more LB's. We have 5 guys in my opinion at this point.
And Wolf did have to operate under a salary cap so that part of your argument is null and void.
The cap wasn't structured the same in the early days. There was a lot more uncapped "flex" money available. A contract could be super loaded with this kind of money and they could get away with it more than they can under today's rules. Also Wolf's whole 96 defensive line was signed before the cap went into effect.
C'mon man that's just not true. Show me the proof. Bonuses or flex money have always been a part of the cap. Ted's decision on Jenkins and Wolf's decion on Gabe Wilkins had nothing to do with the salary cap.
And none of that lends credence to your argument. So teams were at first skeptical and then later got more people involved to help them. Certainly things have changed but it isn't like Wolf didn't operate under a salary cap as you first stated. Btw, The Gabe Wilkins decision came during the 1997 season.Here is a good article to start with. "For one thing, teams are likely to be more reluctant than before to borrow against their future with signing bonuses that are prorated over the length of a players' contract. Large signing bonuses will further cut into teams' ability to maneuver in later years, so we'll likely see fewer and lower signing bonuses in favor or larger annual salaries.
But even before this Wolf talked about the way things changed in an old interview with the MJS. I tried to clip it but it is now a pay site.
Then there is this quote from this article; "Though teams had a casual approach to it when the cap was originally implemented because it was new and unfamiliar, they now employ several people charged with understanding and manipulating the cap to maximum advantage. The math of the cap is at least as important as any other factor in player decisions these days."
As the cap has evolved so have the rules regarding it.
And none of that lends credence to your argument. So teams were at first skeptical and then later got more people involved to help them. Certainly things have changed but it isn't like Wolf didn't operate under a salary cap as you first stated. Btw, The Gabe Wilkins decision came during the 1997 season.[/QUOTE
I'm trying to make this simple and understandable. My humble apologies if it is difficult. In the early days of the cap, the cap was much more fluid. There was a lot of wiggle room with lots of extra bucks flowing around that skirted cap rules. As the years have gone by the league has become more aware of these loopholes and implemented strategies to make teams abide by more rigid cap rules. It wasn't that teams were "skeptical" early on. It was that they weren't taking the cap as strictly nor as detailed as today. I even remember thinking back in those days "so what's the big deal with a salary cap if teams can throw around all this extra money anyway?" The Cowboys were notorious for it.
And Gabe Wilkins replaced a '96 player.
And none of that lends credence to your argument. So teams were at first skeptical and then later got more people involved to help them. Certainly things have changed but it isn't like Wolf didn't operate under a salary cap as you first stated. Btw, The Gabe Wilkins decision came during the 1997 season.[/QUOTE
I'm trying to make this simple and understandable. My humble apologies if it is difficult. In the early days of the cap, the cap was much more fluid. There was a lot of wiggle room with lots of extra bucks flowing around that skirted cap rules. As the years have gone by the league has become more aware of these loopholes and implemented strategies to make teams abide by more rigid cap rules. It wasn't that teams were "skeptical" early on. It was that they weren't taking the cap as strictly nor as detailed as today. I even remember thinking back in those days "so what's the big deal with a salary cap if teams can throw around all this extra money anyway?" The Cowboys were notorious for it.
And Gabe Wilkins replaced a '96 player.
No need to get testy. I thought we were having a good back and fourth. You keep saying in the early days things were different yet you offer no proof. My comment about Wilkins was that you said the Wolf signed the entire defensive line in 1996...but the decision on Wilkins came during the 1997 season so that makes no sense.
Wolf operated with a cap as you incorrectly said he didn't and so does Ted. Player decisions aren't always about the cap and sometimes mistakes are made. I hope like the article that Ted hasn't made one like Wolf acknowledged he did. Fair enough?
So which position on the active 53 would you sacrifice to pick up another DL?
No need to get testy. I thought we were having a good back and fourth. You keep saying in the early days things were different yet you offer no proof. My comment about Wilkins was that you said the Wolf signed the entire defensive line in 1996...but the decision on Wilkins came during the 1997 season so that makes no sense.
Wolf operated with a cap as you incorrectly said he didn't and so does Ted. Player decisions aren't always about the cap and sometimes mistakes are made. I hope like the article that Ted hasn't made one like Wolf acknowledged he did. Fair enough?
I'm frustrated because I thought it was pretty simple and self evident to anyone who has been familiar with the cap over the years.
Go back and read my post. I didn't say Wolf didn't have a cap. I said he didn't have the *rules* that Thompson has to deal with.
This was a money decision early on. The whole way back in February the Journal Sentinel reported that Jenkins wanted a long term deal and the Packers weren't willing to fork over the money on a long term deal.
Don't make it so easy. Jared Bush
Don't make it so easy. Jared Bush
IVO, you and Spartachris summed up this whole Jenkins thing for me in a very succinct manner back on page 13 of this thread. There was another Jenkins thread back around Feb. where one of you guys said the Pack wouldn't be able to afford him as well. Methinks you are prophets.
IVO, you and Spartachris summed up this whole Jenkins thing for me in a very succinct manner back on page 13 of this thread. There was another Jenkins thread back around Feb. where one of you guys said the Pack wouldn't be able to afford him as well. Methinks you are prophets.
Don't make it so easy. Jared Bush
Wow you got me there. Jarrett vs Jared. Congratulations. :icon_rolleyes:Wait... who's Jared Bush?