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Gary's Role

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by PackinMSP, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. PackinMSP

    PackinMSP Cheesehead

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    Out of curiosity what is his intended role supposed to be?

    He hasn't looked bad at all yet this year but hasn't really had a lot of opportunities (hasn't really had to)

    Could he replace Mike Daniels as a guy who can put his hand in the dirt and create some pressure?

    That would be ideal if you just go with him and Clark.

    Does he have the athletic flexibility to play ILB?
     
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    i forgot he was on the team lol
    still like him and think he's gonna be good, but yeah, i forgot he was out there
     
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    ugh. he's a backup olb. he's doing what backups do. he's learning a new position and he's behind the smiths so he won't get much pt. trying to shoehorn him into another new position at this point of the season would be very counterproductive.
     
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    Dantés Gute Loot

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    He's a base 3-4 outside linebacker who can rush anywhere from the 3T to the 9T in sub packages.

    Thus far, he's shown all that athleticism and power and he's also show that he doesn't quite know how to harness it.
     
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    DE would be best for our team.
     
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    What do you mean by DE?
     
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    Perhaps DT. In front 3 edge.
     
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    He's shown to have the strength and athletic ability to play and he obviously has the size you are looking for.

    With the Smith's looking incredible and as one of the great Packers Defensive FA signings, aside from Reggie White, Charles Woodson, but so far at least past Ryan Pickett, Al Harris, etc I don't think we will really "need" another OLBer...? hopefully that is.

    The Smith's are on pace for a combined what like ~30 sacks LOL. Which would be FANTASTIC!!!

    Wouldn't it be better to just stick a guy with Gary's size/strength/speed/athleticism at a DE spot opposite of Kenny Clark?? Or maybe even try some jumbo/elephant type LB spot
     
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    Gary is best suited to line up at outside linebacker. Once he fully grasps how to be successful in the NFL he will receive more playing time with Zadarius moving inside.
     
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    His college career was at DE.

    NFL.com

    WalterFootball.com

    Draftnetwork.com

    Am not sure we are using his versatility well. Well and good to convert a defensive end into a linebacker, but we need a proper DE more than a lineback now.
     
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    Oh fun, this conversation again!

    A typical 4-3 DE has a very similar role to a 3-4 OLB. Which is why you often see the term 'edge'. So when people say you can't/shouldn't make a college DE into a OLB, they are wrong and talking with absolutes. There are distinctions.

    A 3-4 DE will often line up as a 3T or 5T. I'd say those are the most common. Kenny Clark is usually a 0T or 1T.

    Gary in college was usually a 8T or 9T, I honestly can't remember, but he typically had the role of edge contain against OT and TE. Basically, he played the run. It's a hard role, you don't see it a ton.

    Gary plays a role very similar to Z Smith. Most commonly he will line up on the edge, or at 3T. I even saw him line up as the 3T against Carolina, do an initial rush, and then shallow drop, which I assume was to cover against a crosser and hook. Actually seemed to be effective enough to make Allen look elsewhere. Just a little twist from Pettine. Anyways, you'll see Gary do a lot of stunts on passing downs from either the edge or 3T.

    So, to answer your question, he is actually lining up as a DE next to Clark (3T) and he is lining up as an OLB (edge) in a 3-4.
     
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    Fun fact! A DE in a 3-4 is also typically a DT in a 4-3.

    A DE in a 4-3 is typically an OLB in a 3-4.

    An OLB in a 4-3 can also be a ILB in a 3-4.

    A safety in base can be an ILB in dime.

    Fun times!
     
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    Oh I didn't see this.

    This is a more concise summary of what I posted. Typical of a nerd.
     
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    At this point Gary is filling in for the Smiths as OLB and plays 7 -15 snaps per game. I think its fair to say he's a project and has barely contributed as the 12th pick in the draft. His single sack and 12 tackles in 10 games is what many predicted when he got drafted and that he would struggle as a rookie.
     
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    Or the packer brass knew what they got in a project and bringing him along slowly...that way in 2020 he can show his entire skill set.

    And maybe his nagging injuries are just slowing him down a bit

    But shhh know one knows???
     
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    https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/bring...ff-347?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook


     
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    Z is a stud in situations inside, man....I could be wrong and obvious situations dictate it, but when we had the Smiths, Fackrell or Gary in with Clark or Lowry....the pressure we were creating was insane Monday night.

    I think the Smiths in the long run are going to be the best thing ever for Gary to learn from...Gary is special...he learns to harness that skillset he was given from above something special could happen.
     
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    He isn't just behind the Smiths, but Fackrell 100% is ahead of him and is more refined and skilled technique wise than Gary. Gary is more physically gifted however.
     
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    He seems to only have a bull rush right now. He does it pretty well and maybe it is part of the D scheme. But I hope he can get a spin move.
     
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    I agree with this simple take on Gary, and hopeful that he is learning the ropes behind some great role models in the Smith Bros. He has obvious physical gifts, and has flashed the ability to both set the edge and rush the QB.

    He seems a best fit as an "elephant" OLB playing on the strong side of the offense and rushing/setting the edge more often than dropping into coverage.

    I guess the key questions are- Does he have the heart to work his a** off seeking greatness? and Does he have the attitude to become a future leader on a winning team?
     
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    I asked myself the same thing Monday night.
     
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    he's simply not going to get the snaps with the smith's being as dominant as they are. he's taking snaps from fackrell. it's no big deal.
     
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    This is when coaches try to figure out if he can play another position. Although you do not like to mess with a young kid.
     
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    Lately he's been taking snaps from guys like Lowry, Adams, and Keke.

    They've mainly been using him to replace Z on the edge, so that the latter can become an interior rusher.
     
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    he's an olb. that's already a new position for him.
     

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