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<blockquote data-quote="mhnessie" data-source="post: 521619" data-attributes="member: 4324"><p>I fully agree with you, PackerFan71. Its simply an artifical club with no history and they even tried to compensate their lack of history by using a new name. Formerly known as TSG Hoffenheim they suddenly called themselves 1899 (!) Hoffenheim. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rolleyes.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p>They only exist because Mr. Hopp, the co-founder of SAP, put his money into the club.</p><p>And to make it clear - teams like Hoffenheim or Volkswagen (VFL Wolfsburg) may win a Championship one day - but they will never ever be at eye level with Hamburg, Schalke or Gladbach for example.</p><p>This excerpt from Wikipedia might be interesting for you guys too, the "loudspeaker story" is still ridiculous <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Criticism</strong></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Dietmar Hopp's financial support, which transformed Hoffenheim from a local amateur club into a competitive Bundesliga club, has been strongly criticized by other clubs, fans and some in the German press. The main points of criticism are the club's lack of "tradition" and a proper fan base as the club is a historically insignificant side from a village of just 3,300 inhabitants. The situation is akin to that of now-defunct Scottish side <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretna_FC" target="_blank">Gretna</a> and German clubs <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VfL_Wolfsburg" target="_blank">VfL Wolfsburg</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_04_Leverkusen" target="_blank">Bayer 04 Leverkusen</a>, as both those teams also received large financial support by German companies. VfL Wolfsburg is wholly owned and supported by automobile manufacturer <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen" target="_blank">VW</a>, Bayer 04 Leverkusen by pharmaceutical company <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer" target="_blank">Bayer</a>. Despite this Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are nonetheless different from Hoffenheim because of their long history as football clubs founded by the factory workers themselves, and have been successful chiefly through their own merits rather than outside funding.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>On 16 August 2011, the club released a statement regarding complaints of a loudspeaker that was strategically placed under away fans during a home game against Borussia Dortmund. The loudspeaker was designed to drown out the noise of the away fans cheers and chants during the game. It is reported that the speaker was placed by the groundskeeper and the club denies any involvement saying he acted alone. It is also reported that the loudspeaker was used during other games not just the home game against Borussia Dortmund.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSG_1899_Hoffenheim#cite_note-1" target="_blank">[1]</a></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>In a later statement the club admitted that the disruptive sound assembly has been used at least five times, although club officials claim to have no knowledge of these measures.</em></p><p><em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSG_1899_Hoffenheim" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSG_1899_Hoffenheim</a></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mhnessie, post: 521619, member: 4324"] I fully agree with you, PackerFan71. Its simply an artifical club with no history and they even tried to compensate their lack of history by using a new name. Formerly known as TSG Hoffenheim they suddenly called themselves 1899 (!) Hoffenheim. :rolleyes: They only exist because Mr. Hopp, the co-founder of SAP, put his money into the club. And to make it clear - teams like Hoffenheim or Volkswagen (VFL Wolfsburg) may win a Championship one day - but they will never ever be at eye level with Hamburg, Schalke or Gladbach for example. This excerpt from Wikipedia might be interesting for you guys too, the "loudspeaker story" is still ridiculous :D [I][SIZE=4][B]Criticism[/B][/SIZE] Dietmar Hopp's financial support, which transformed Hoffenheim from a local amateur club into a competitive Bundesliga club, has been strongly criticized by other clubs, fans and some in the German press. The main points of criticism are the club's lack of "tradition" and a proper fan base as the club is a historically insignificant side from a village of just 3,300 inhabitants. The situation is akin to that of now-defunct Scottish side [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretna_FC']Gretna[/URL] and German clubs [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VfL_Wolfsburg']VfL Wolfsburg[/URL] and [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_04_Leverkusen']Bayer 04 Leverkusen[/URL], as both those teams also received large financial support by German companies. VfL Wolfsburg is wholly owned and supported by automobile manufacturer [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen']VW[/URL], Bayer 04 Leverkusen by pharmaceutical company [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer']Bayer[/URL]. Despite this Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are nonetheless different from Hoffenheim because of their long history as football clubs founded by the factory workers themselves, and have been successful chiefly through their own merits rather than outside funding. On 16 August 2011, the club released a statement regarding complaints of a loudspeaker that was strategically placed under away fans during a home game against Borussia Dortmund. The loudspeaker was designed to drown out the noise of the away fans cheers and chants during the game. It is reported that the speaker was placed by the groundskeeper and the club denies any involvement saying he acted alone. It is also reported that the loudspeaker was used during other games not just the home game against Borussia Dortmund.[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSG_1899_Hoffenheim#cite_note-1'][1][/URL] In a later statement the club admitted that the disruptive sound assembly has been used at least five times, although club officials claim to have no knowledge of these measures. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSG_1899_Hoffenheim[/url][/I] [/QUOTE]
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