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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PackerFan71" data-source="post: 453532" data-attributes="member: 6273">I tend to agree, are there still fences in the German Stadiums? mmmm thats not good either way. there is a fine line between common sense and reality as far as football officials are concerned. Im not a fan of the ''Ultra'' thing either, all clubs have them they should get a life. Over exuberance in celebration is one thing, however violent hooliganism is quite another. Isnt the Singer in Die Totten Hosen a Dusseldorf Fan? i saw their fans i think in one of his videos but they dont look like aggressive types at all. Pyrotechnics yes but just fans enjoying the game from what i could tell. In the 60s and 70s when Scottish teams won Cups in Europe there was after match pitch invasions.(Both non Hooligan) in Celtics case there was no trouble, as the Lisbon police were laidback and easy going. However when a similar thing happend at old Rangers cup win in Barcelona the Police over reacted and started beating the fans up.</blockquote>

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