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Former player accuses Vikings coaches of being bigots

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  1. ivo610

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    Hes a joke because of his play. His christian thing is actually embraced. We all liked seeing him hug kids on the sideline.
     
  2. ivo610

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    Didnt the media just have a bidding war over him ... keep in mind he has no experience and is starting at the top...
     
  3. USArmyParatrooper

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    OK, let me break it down with a bit more simplicity.

    Any person has the right to advocate for discrimination, and I have the right to call them bigots. I'm failing to see what you're objecting to.
     
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    opposing views can be hate speech, and in this case it is.
     
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    That's your accusation.
    Where's the evidence of discrimination there?

    And calling someone a bigot for their opinion is hateful.
    Hate speech.

    It works both ways.
     
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  6. USArmyParatrooper

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    I wasn't referring specifically to the OP, the conversation digressed. If they did fire him for advocating for gay rights, IMO that is completely wrong.

    The definition of "hate speech" is a bit subjective and differs from person to person. But calling a bigoted person a "bigot" is just being accurate.
     
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    Opinions are like assholes....
     
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    I'm not so sure about that.
    People in all walks of life get fired for all kinds of opinions.
    Politics don't often mix with businesses, and that can include the NFL.

    There is a black guy who worked for the NTAA or one of those FAA type air things, and he had a website that advocated a race war, to wipe out whites.
    They found out, and after a long time...... they fired him after mounting pressure.

    He said the same thing this NC State Professor publicly said, and he was NOT fired for his hate speech. Imagine that?


    So there is free speech, but sometimes there are consequences.
     
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    Nice reminder that free speech does not mean consequence-free speech.

    Seems like opinionated, outspoken athletes face many headwinds: they're more likely to alienate fans by taking controversial positions than they are to affect real change. Probably why athletes so often revert to cliches rather than speaking their mind at ease.

    Entertaining thread. I haven't seen the "anti-PC crowd" this worked up in a while.
     
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    So what's wrong with his "christian thing?"

    Sounds like some hate speech to me.
     
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    It's too bad most Christians aren't as welcoming to others as the new pope is.
     
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    The General Manger of the Brooklyn dodgers should have been fired for speaking out against discrimination against blacks after he hired Jackie Robinson.

    People in all walks of life get fired for all kinds of opinions.
    Politics don't often mix with businesses, and that can include MLB.

    I'm not going to watch the video because it's a red herring. Calling for equality =/= calling for violence.
     
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    Depending on who you are, you can call for violence without consequences under the protection of "free speech" or even be embraced, while others who called for violence would be shunned or persecuted by the social media. That was the point of him posting the video, I believe. It's complete hypocrisy.
     
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    So was Adrian Peterson being a bigot or exercising free speech when he said he doesn't believe in gay marriage?
     
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    Why is it "or"? Both.
     
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    Well now we're having a different discussion. I believe all calls for violence should be shunned. What's the point in bringing that up? Did Chris Kluwe call for violence?
     
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    Why should anyone be pro-PC?
     
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    We've been on a different discussion ever since you changed it to interracial marriage for some reason.
     
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    I'm not catholic, so what the pope says is of no concern to me. I simply have no interest in what he has to say.
     
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    I don't see hate speech as open dialog. Equal rights isn't something to have "open dialog" about. It isn't about "political correctness" it's about fair treatment for everyone.

    WBBC and any other religious group or religious people has the right to say what they want, as do I when I point out bigotry.
     
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    I just can't believe there is this much attention given to a Vikings punter, or Vikings ex-punter v. the Vikings office on a Green Bay Packers thread. If anything, this belongs in the other teams section. This is the Packers thread and forum. Who cares about the Vikings business?
     
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    "Hate speech" is such a joke. Who determines what is and isn't so-called "hate speech?" Liberals? Psychologists? Conservatives? Union bosses? The MEDIA?

    I think Bears fans are scum. Is that "hate speech?" I think Obamacare is a train wreck. Is that "hate speech" since Obama happens to be half black? Is mentioning that Obama is half black "hate speech?"

    How about when scum bags like Martin Bashir advocate ******** in Sarah Palin's mouth? Is that not "hate speech?" Is me calling Martin Bashir a scum bag "hate speech" too?

    Let's move to something more significant. Advocating for clamping down on illegal immigration has been labeled as "hate speech." Why? Because it's easier to demonize the opposing view than it is to make a coherent argument and THAT is the true crux of the matter.
     
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    I'm pretty concerned when someone has difficulty understanding what is and isn't hate speech.

    If you are arguing about illegal immigration and what you are saying is getting labeled as hate speech, then you are probably phrasing it wrong. See congressman from Alaska this past year.
     
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    There is a parallel between the equal treatment of minorities and the equal treatment of gays. There is no parallel between the issue of gay equality and inciting violence.
     
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    Nice dodge. I knew you wouldn't answer.

    Maybe you'll answer this one: Do you consider bashing of Christians to be "hate speech?"

    The fact is that in the media ANY comments against illegal immigration is labeled "hate speech", hence it is nothing more than another tool of the PC though-control machine. But you go ahead and buy into all of that. I'll continue to support liberty in this country as long as I can.

    Anyway... I've more than adequately made my point. Long live Liberty.
     
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