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<blockquote data-quote="net" data-source="post: 40030" data-attributes="member: 200"><p>There's an assumption that Brett Favre is still a great QB. He's in the upper echelon in the league, but if you need a primer as to where Favre stands, I hope all of you witnessed Tom Brady's performance Saturday. That is a Super Bowl level QB. By the way, Trent Dilfer won the Super Bowl. Jim McMahon won the Super Bowl. There goes that argument. If you have a defense, you don't need a great QB.</p><p></p><p>Brett Favre WAS at the Brady level not all that long ago. To assume he's still there is wrong. Tom Brady didn't throw 29 interceptions this season.</p><p></p><p>Is he better than Aaron Rodgers? You bet. But the bottom line is TT is sending all the signals Favre's way that change is in the wind. Favre's agent has been sending smoke signals that if Mariucci is the head coach, then Favre might come back. Mariucci is not on the TT call list.(See ProFootballTalk.com) Mariucci as OC is equally as off-base, especially if you look at what he did with the Detroit offense, given the talent level. He was statistically worse than your hated man, Tom Rossley.</p><p></p><p>I've been thinking about the reason for TT's "fresh face is needed" comment.</p><p></p><p>I think he became increasingly frustrated at Sherman and Rossley's inability to keep Brett within the game plan. What he saw, I think, was a player calling the shots. No corporation, regardless of customer/fan base, allows the employees to dictate to the management how things are going to go. Sherman had to go, I think, because he was so closely linked to Favre. I think TT is holding the door open to Favre, but under the context that he will stay under the new coaches guidelines. But I think TT would rather see Favre leave with a semblence of respectability.</p><p></p><p>My take is many of our free agents are going to bail, especially if they get offers from winning teams.</p><p></p><p>Next year is year one of the "New Packers", and there could be many new faces.</p><p></p><p>The question you need to ask yourself: look at the 12 playoff teams this year, and tell me, even with Brett Favre, that the Green Bay Packers in 2006, likely without Green, Davenport, Jackson, Kampman, Longwell, Henderson, Flanagan, Barry, Diggs, Ferguson etc. will be able to defeat those teams.</p><p>(TT had a chance to extend Kampman under a cap-friendly 2005 move, but didn't...which means he's letting him go out there. Kampman just had his best year).</p><p>That is why I've said the things I said about Favre. It's time to move on.</p><p>I don't want the team to lose, but it appears inevitable until a new foundation, especially offensively, is laid. Aaron Rodgers will be the new foundation, and to have him sitting on the bench when players like Grossman and Orton in Chicago and other QB's are playing is just plain stupid. Especially when you bring back a legend who won't be any younger next year.</p><p></p><p>I'm a fan of Favre's, but not a fan to the point that I simply exclude all others in an effort to bring back the past, which isn't going to happen. I also will stop being a fan of Favre's if he does come back and demands to not play within the system as he did more than once this year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="net, post: 40030, member: 200"] There's an assumption that Brett Favre is still a great QB. He's in the upper echelon in the league, but if you need a primer as to where Favre stands, I hope all of you witnessed Tom Brady's performance Saturday. That is a Super Bowl level QB. By the way, Trent Dilfer won the Super Bowl. Jim McMahon won the Super Bowl. There goes that argument. If you have a defense, you don't need a great QB. Brett Favre WAS at the Brady level not all that long ago. To assume he's still there is wrong. Tom Brady didn't throw 29 interceptions this season. Is he better than Aaron Rodgers? You bet. But the bottom line is TT is sending all the signals Favre's way that change is in the wind. Favre's agent has been sending smoke signals that if Mariucci is the head coach, then Favre might come back. Mariucci is not on the TT call list.(See ProFootballTalk.com) Mariucci as OC is equally as off-base, especially if you look at what he did with the Detroit offense, given the talent level. He was statistically worse than your hated man, Tom Rossley. I've been thinking about the reason for TT's "fresh face is needed" comment. I think he became increasingly frustrated at Sherman and Rossley's inability to keep Brett within the game plan. What he saw, I think, was a player calling the shots. No corporation, regardless of customer/fan base, allows the employees to dictate to the management how things are going to go. Sherman had to go, I think, because he was so closely linked to Favre. I think TT is holding the door open to Favre, but under the context that he will stay under the new coaches guidelines. But I think TT would rather see Favre leave with a semblence of respectability. My take is many of our free agents are going to bail, especially if they get offers from winning teams. Next year is year one of the "New Packers", and there could be many new faces. The question you need to ask yourself: look at the 12 playoff teams this year, and tell me, even with Brett Favre, that the Green Bay Packers in 2006, likely without Green, Davenport, Jackson, Kampman, Longwell, Henderson, Flanagan, Barry, Diggs, Ferguson etc. will be able to defeat those teams. (TT had a chance to extend Kampman under a cap-friendly 2005 move, but didn't...which means he's letting him go out there. Kampman just had his best year). That is why I've said the things I said about Favre. It's time to move on. I don't want the team to lose, but it appears inevitable until a new foundation, especially offensively, is laid. Aaron Rodgers will be the new foundation, and to have him sitting on the bench when players like Grossman and Orton in Chicago and other QB's are playing is just plain stupid. Especially when you bring back a legend who won't be any younger next year. I'm a fan of Favre's, but not a fan to the point that I simply exclude all others in an effort to bring back the past, which isn't going to happen. I also will stop being a fan of Favre's if he does come back and demands to not play within the system as he did more than once this year. [/QUOTE]
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