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  1. JBlood

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    Fearless Favre's a gameday gambler
    By Bob Carter
    Special to ESPN.com



    "I was still drinking and I was not the husband, was not the father that I needed to be. And I was getting older, too. And it wasn't as much fun. If I quit drinking, what do I do? I was scared of that. My wife said, 'Either you quit drinking or we're gone. And I said, 'Okay. I'm going to quit,'" says Brett Favre on ESPN Classic SportsCentury series.



    Football's most treasured commodities are supposed to treat their bodies like caretakers. Quarterbacks: special treatment for special players.



    Packers QB Brett Favre has won three NFL MVP awards.
    Brett Favre never got around to the health regulations for quarterbacks. The longtime Green Bay Packer -- the only NFL player to be voted MVP three times by the Associated Press -- has played the game much like his rough 'n' tumble life, with a daring style that has set him apart from his peers.


    Need a first down? Favre will run and then dive for it.


    Need help for that running back on a busted play? Favre will block for him.


    Need a miracle when that 300-pound defensive lineman storms into the backfield, inches from a sack? Favre will underhand the ball to a receiver, or backhand it, or sling it in a way never before imagined.


    "If you think you're too good to block for a running back or dive for a first down," he said, "the other guys [teammates] are going to be like, 'To hell with him.' "


    Caretaker? Not this playmaker. Favre is the ultimate risk-reward quarterback, a free-spirited gambler who can drive coaches crazy. Three times he's been tops in the NFL in passing yards and four times in touchdown passes, Favre has become one of the league's best passers, the most durable quarterback in history and the leader of the Pack. And he's endured despite drug and alcohol problems.


    "I want to be the guy this team leans on in crucial situations," Favre said.


    In 2001, he became the first player in NFL history to have 10 consecutive 3,000-yard passing seasons. In 2004, he extended that record to 13 as well as his mark of throwing 30 touchdown passes in a season to eight. Besides Favre, only Dan Marino, with four, has more than two.


    In 2002, Favre became just the third quarterback to throw for more than 300 career touchdowns. With 376 TD passes through 2004, he trails only Marino (420)


    In 1995, his fourth full season, Favre led the NFL in passing yards (4,413), won his first MVP and directed the Packers to the NFC championship game.


    The next spring he spent 45 days in a drug clinic for an addiction to pain pills but came back as good as ever in the fall. He threw for 3,899 yards, again won MVP, and led Green Bay to its first Super Bowl title in 29 years.


    Playing through an assortment of injuries, Favre has made 205 consecutive regular-season starts through 2004, a record for quarterbacks.


    "The players love playing for a guy like him," former Packer Paul Hornung said. "He's the consummate leader with the toughness to go with the talent."


    Brett Lorenzo Favre was born on Oct. 10, 1969 in Gulfport, Miss., and grew up in nearby Kiln. His father Irv coached Brett in football at Hancock North Central High School, where Favre played quarterback and safety.


    He went to Southern Miss, the only major college to offer him a scholarship. Recruited as a defensive back, he took over at quarterback as a freshman in 1987 and went on to set 18 school records.


    In July 1990, before his senior season, Favre suffered a concussion, a broken vertebrae and had 30 inches of his intestine removed after crashing his car into a tree. Two months later, he led Southern Miss to an upset of Alabama.


    In 42 collegiate games, he threw 52 touchdown passes and 34 interceptions. The Atlanta Falcons drafted him in the second round in 1991.


    As an NFL rookie playing behind Chris Miller, Favre spent many nights drinking and few studying his playbook. When he arrived late for the team's photo shoot, he said he had been caught behind a car wreck.


    "Boy, you are a car wreck," coach Jerry Glanville said.


    Favre threw four passes that season (two incompletions and two interceptions) and the next spring Atlanta traded him to Green Bay for a first-round pick..


    In the third game of the 1992 season, he took over for injured Don Majkowski, and trailing 17-3 in the fourth quarter, led the Packers to a 24-23 victory over Cincinnati. Favre never came off the bench again.


    Often forcing passes into coverage, Favre had a touchdown/interception ratio of 18-13 that season, then fell to 19-24 in 1993 when he also lost six fumbles. His play often frustrated head coach Mike Holmgren, who in 1994 was under pressure to bench Favre after a 3-4 start.


    Holmgren told his quarterback, "We're joined at the hip. Either we're going to the Super Bowl together or we're going down together."


    Favre said the support saved him. He threw 24 touchdown passes and seven interceptions the rest of the season and helped the Packers reach the playoffs a second straight year.


    The quarterback became addicted to Vicodin, a painkiller, sometimes getting the pills from teammates and taking as many as 13 at a time. His play in his first MVP season, though, didn't suffer. Passing for 38 touchdowns with only 13 interceptions, he guided the Packers to an 11-5 record in 1995. They reached the NFC final, losing to Dallas.



    Favre is the only quarterback to have 13 consecutive 3,000-yard passing seasons
    Favre still took chances, making plays that others couldn't. Packers receiver Anthony Morgan remembered Favre being rushed hard and completing an off-balance throw through three defenders. "In the huddle, I said, 'Brett, how did you do that?' He is breaking up and shaking his head and saying, 'I have no idea.' "


    Favre then withstood a difficult and emotional 1996. In January, quarterback coach Steve Mariucci left the Packers to become Cal's head coach. The next month, Favre suffered a frightening seizure while hospitalized after ankle surgery. His longtime girlfriend, Deanna Tynes, and their seven-year-old daughter, Brittany, watched as Favre went into convulsions.


    "Mom, is he going to die?" Brittany asked.


    Favre recovered but knew he needed to address his problems, and in May, he publicly admitted his addiction before entering a Kansas rehab center.


    In July, he married Tynes, who had almost left him during the difficult period of his painkillers addiction.


    His family also had rough times that year. That same July, a close friend in Mississippi was killed when a car driven by Favre's brother Scott was hit by a train. Scott was convicted of a felony DUI. In September, his sister, Brandi, went on probation after a drive-by incident in which a passenger in her car shot at a partygoer.


    On the field, Favre had another MVP season, passing for an NFC-record 39 touchdowns as Green Bay went 13-3. The Super Bowl was played in New Orleans, close to home for Favre, who shook off the effects of flu that week. He threw two long touchdown passes in the first half, the second a game-record 81-yarder to Antonio Freeman from which New England never recovered. He completed 14-of-27 passes for 246 yards in the 35-21 victory.


    In 1997, Favre gained his third straight MVP (he finished tied with Detroit's Barry Sanders in the voting). He passed for 35 touchdowns and 3,867 yards as the Packers went 13-3. But after repeating as NFC champions with a 23-10 victory over San Francisco, Green Bay was thwarted in the Super Bowl by Elway's Broncos, 31-24, despite Favre passing for 256 yards.


    In 1998, the Packers were 11-5, with Favre throwing for 4,212 yards with 31 touchdown passes and 23 interceptions. However, they lost to San Francisco in the wild-card game. In 1999, his wife Deanna gave her husband an ultimatum: Quit drinking or she and the two kids were gone. Favre quit.


    Happier off the field, Favre was not so successful on it. The next two seasons brought 8-8 and 9-7 records and no playoff trips as the quarterback struggled.


    But Favre -- at 32 -- bounced back in 2001 and threw for 3,921 yards and 32 touchdowns with only 15 interceptions as the Packers went 12-4 and returned to the playoffs as a wild-card team.


    And Favre has continued to terrorize defenses. In 2002, he threw for 27 touchdowns and 3,658 yards in leading the Packers to the NFC North title with a 12-4 record. In 2003, despite playing most of the season with a broken right thumb, he led the NFL with 32 touchdown passes and guided Green Bay to another division title with a 10-6 record.


    In 2004, Favre threw for more than 4,000 yards (4,088) for the fourth time and fired 30 touchdown passes as the Packers won their third straight division title, going 10-6.

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    He'll likely retire in 3 or 4 years with virtually every major passing record of note. YOUR kids will remember how you vilified him at the end of his remarkable career. Personally, I'll enjoy every minute of playing time he has left in him, good or bad.
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  2. Raider Pride

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    I could post 5 articles that would stir up just as much emotion for fan's of Jerry Rice. I could post 10, for fans of Joe Montana. I could post 4, for my beloved Kenny Stabler. I could post 20 for ole number 66.

    I just would love to see Brett head off on his tractor into the sunset without listening to an ESPN talking head tell how he is now done, and the magic is gone. Too many greats have gone out with bad press. Barry Sanders is one exception to the rule and I admire him for it.

    I would love to see Brett head off to the sunset withought being remembered by young fans as the guy who threw up the lame duck pass in a playoff game... I would like young fans to remember him for what he was and not the guy who has led the team to 4 wins in the last 11 games in one of the most mystic and hallowed grounds in all of professional sports.

    I do not want him to be remembered, nor have my last vision of him as an emotionless, life-less, beat up looking guy who's trade mark 3 day stubble on his face is now gray and then listen to someone from ESPN say how he is gray becuase he has been through hell the last two years with the Packers giving up on him and throwing him in the grease by not doing what it took to ride his passion to one more Superbowl.

    Brett is one of the greatest. It has been a blessing from God to place him on the field and watch what he has done.

    Do not confuse a wish for him to hang it up, with his head high by many people here on this forum as Brett Bashing by Brett Bashers.

    I can think of no sane person in America that could actually say Brett Farve is a loser, or was an average player in the history of this game.

    There comes a time in a career. And when that time comes it is not a bad thing at all.
     
  3. packedhouse01

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    The fact is that Favre will go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. He will also go down as one of the best players of all time. That doesn't mean he is immune from criticsm. He would expect that.
     
  4. WinnipegPackFan

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    Excellent Piece JBlood, glad you took the time to post it and I could not agree with you more. Brett Bashers just don't get the man and I like you, will enjoy every minute that he plays (win or lose because we are so lucky to have him).
     
  5. IPBprez

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    Was that Touchdown pass today to Ferguson at the beginning of the game... not what we've always thought of,... when it comes to thinking of BRETT FAVRE?


    And, then later on early in the game.. he did it again.... WOW!

    We were all thinking... is this the time.. do we turn it around....?

    I, for one, am glad to have lived thru the Brett Favre Era.
    I did not get to truly enjoy the Bart Starr Era.. would've like to, tho'....

    Whilst we remember the "live" version... Let's not rush it to retirement, just yet!
     
  6. JBlood

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    Well, R.P., if you don't want to listen to talking heads rambling about Brett I would suggest turning off the sound. And if you can't stand watching an "emotionless" Favre, then I would suggest watching him play. He looked pretty animated to me today after the TD throws. The Packers' record of late has a hell of a lot more to do with the TEAM than with Favre. Running the football has always been, and will always be, the most important facet of the offense, and I don't see our anemic run game as Brett's fault. Likewise, the putrid defense of the last couple of years wouldn't appear to be due to a decline in Favre's play. I see this team improving weekly and I think we'll sure be better with Favre than without him. After all, we could be stuck with someone the likes of Collins, couldn't we??
     
  7. JBlood

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    I finally have had it with the geniuses over at jsonline sports bubbler--far too smart for me. I came across this post I made in 2005. Funny how things change. The Interceptor has destroyed any sense of goodwill I had for him back in '05; he's now, and forever will be, a Viking in my mind. I'll look forward to the Yikes retiring his number so the Packers will never, ever feel the need to do so.

    Other than this, I think he was a good QB in his day.
     
  8. 3irty1

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    aren't your kids gonna be mad about how your vilifying him though? :p
     
  9. Green_Bay_Packers

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    Why did this topic get bumped it was posted nearly 5 years ago :S
     
  10. ivo610

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    Favre = Fredo
     
  11. ivo610

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    Bart Starr, the greatest QB the packers ever had.
     
  12. JBlood

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    Nope, my kids are pretty squared away :)
     

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