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Flynn showed yesterday why he is only backup QB material

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Brandon, Dec 23, 2013.

  1. captainWIMM

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    Since 2009 the Packers have only trailed 14 times after three quarters when Rodgers started and didn't leave because of injury. Their record in those games is 4-10.
     
  2. longtimefan

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    Link?
     
  3. captainWIMM

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    Don't have a link, went through the boxscores of all games since 2009 (regular season only).
     
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    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I was trying to avoid that lol
     
  5. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

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    And how many games like yesterday did Rodgers have where they did have the comeback only to lose it? Flynn should have had a fourth.
     
  6. Dieseljunkie12

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    I have said this same thing since Flynn has been starting. Last week quarless was his only receiver. This week it was Boykin. I was at the game and let me just say j ordy was WIDE open with a slant under boykin but flynn like I said has his guy for the week.
     
  7. yooperpackfan

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    I think Flynn has done an admirable job as a backup who has been mostly on the sidelines since he left the Packers for greener grass (bucks).
     
  8. Ogsponge

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    Ya it is unfortunate that flynn did not even look at what would have been one of the easier TD throws of his life at the end of the Steelers game.
     
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  9. rodell330

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    Wow people, really? Flynn is a major reason why the Packers are still thinking playoffs. He makes mistakes yes but i've never seen Flynn get to high or to low. Same dimeanor all the time. If flynn doesn't save the day against Dallas or Minnesota we are debating on who we should draft right now instead of talking division championship.
     
  10. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    Really started to notice how bad flynn stares down his WR and does not look for his 2nd or 3rd read. So bad that sometimes he is eyeballing the WR before the snap.....no clue as to why DB's are not feasting on him for INT's...... watch the QB's eyes, easiest way to read him. He also is NOT accurate on any throw over 15 yards..... how many time did that ball go high or wayyyyy to far out of bounds when he tries to make a side line toss. I think that if Arod had played healthy for the steelers game we would have put uo 50+ points on those clowns. Another note: anyone else notice that during the steelers game, flynn had ZERO zip on the ball? He didn't throw one tight laser pass.....weak looking throws.
     
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  11. Ogsponge

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    Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Flynn is horrible, and admit that without him we would not be where we are right now. However, you can't deny that he seems to have some sort of inexplicable aversion to using the 2 best receivers on the team right now in Nelson and Jones. I mean watching the pack over the last few weeks it has been very frustrating watching the 2 guys who are able to make ridiculous catches not even be involved in the game.
     
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  12. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    Might be due to the fact that he has a much better short passing game and that is where his confidence is. It is evident that his long ball skills are lacking with the inaccurate throws he has been making the past fews games on long balls.
     
  13. rodell330

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    He targeted James Jones like 11 times last game. Jones finished with what? 8 or 9 catches and about 86 yds? As for Jordy we have to keep in mind Jordy is doing most of his work from the slot now. I watched some film and i'm seeing teams play bracket coverage on him when he's there. Hentz the reason you see Boykin playing some of his finest ball as he is seeing single coverage ...vs Jordy being bracketed. I can guarantee you that if Cobb was playing Jordy would be seeing alot more action and it wouldn't matter who was at qb.
     
  14. Ogsponge

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    One game makes a pattern? I think you are missing the point here which is what many people have said, he to often locks onto a receiver instead of looking at all available options. That is all am getting at. Just a critique of his play, I am not trying to bash your golden boy. :)
     
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    Why does it matter? Please explain this.

    The Packers are 7-7-1 but could have been 8-6-1. The Bears are 8-7. It did not matter whether we won or loss. We still have to beat the Bears next week.

    Flynn played a very good game for someone who has a limited number of games under his belt. I think he would be a solid starting QB in the NFL in after a season of starts to his credit.
     
  16. rodell330

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    Hey call it what you want but i have mad respect for Flynn..he has made it bearable without Rodgers and has us in position to win the division. Green Bay owes him a couple free Brews. Imagine what our record would be if Scott "int machine" Tolzien was playing?
     
  17. buggybill2003

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    A bit harsh on Tolzien I think, but I agree with you that without Flynn, we would have been dead before now. Tolzien just needs more time learning the system.
     
  18. rodell330

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    Yea Tolzien will be a solid backup i'm sure...just not here!! haha
     
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    Too bad they had to IR Seneca. :sneaky:
     
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    hahaha.....I`ve just noticed your signature :tup:.
     
  21. ThxJackVainisi

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    Sure, fire McCarthy or Clements or McAdoo because they can’t make Flynn’s arm stronger or because he doesn’t go through progressions. I’m sure they’re teaching him to zero in on one receiver. And one of them should have told Flynn if someone is wide open in the EZ, throw it to him instead of a covered receiver.

    BTW on the pick 6 Larry McCarren said it was a running play on which the QB has the option to throw that pass. If you look at a replay, the OL is blocking for a run, not pass. Quarless took the wrong route to lead block on the play. But according to McCarren, there wasn’t an audible missed. The fumble and missing Jordy in the EZ were on Flynn, but not the pick 6 IMO.

    I hope both Flynn and Tolzien are in TC next year but IMO Tolzien has the potential to be the better backup QB because his arm is significantly stronger. His ability to hit the longer throws accurately stretches the field and opens up the intermediate passing and running games. IMO his mechanics lack the fine tuning an off season would provide and of course he lacks the familiarity with the offense Flynn has. But he’s smart and dedicated and he’s signed for next season for $645K. “One thing Tolzien hasn't done is mope. "No!" McCarthy exclaimed. "The guy goes forever after practice. Tremendous, tremendous work ethic. I love his mind. We have some things we can help him with." http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...t-tolzien-a-packer-b99163157z1-235832321.html
     
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  22. HardRightEdge

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    QB mechanics are notoriously hard to fix. We remember the successes, but they are outnumbered by the failures. Tolzien has a low release point, and stuff goes haywire when he's not in a clean set. I'll reserve judgement for next preseason.

    Somebody's going to mention the question marks regarding Rodgers' mechanics coming out of Cal and how MM "fixed" them. However, according to Rodgers, he came out of high school with the preferred NFL mechanics, the ones you see today. The Cal coaches made him change to the high pre-release position. So, there really was no fixing to do.
     
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  23. GoPGo

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    Actually, the Eagles and Giants are the ONLY reasons we are still thinking playoffs today.
     
  24. GoPGo

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    Fixed it for ya :D
     
  25. ThxJackVainisi

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    Tolzien may not be the answer but I think he's got a very good chance to be. I'm pretty sure if he's not the answer it won't be for a lack of trying on his part and IMO he's got the physical tools and intelligence missing in Harrell and Coleman, for example.

    I really don't understand why McCarthy and his staff don’t get the credit they deserve for developing Rodgers. Of course I understand why some Packers “fans” don’t give them credit but for others I think some may not remember Rodgers' first couple of seasons: Rodgers was bad. McGinn wrote an article in January of 2012 detailing Rodgers’ early years:
    From the same article regarding his mechanics:
    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/136856133.html

    It was only after two off seasons of McCarthy’s QB school that Rodgers began to blossom.
     

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