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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PackersRS" data-source="post: 302563" data-attributes="member: 1429">For Gruden, at the end of his tenure in Tampa, the players didn't even listen to him.Right now (as I did last year, after the TB game), I'd rather have him than McCarthy.But Gruden has failed miserably before, with the same errors that MM is showing.One thing in favor of Gruden, he's as much of a QB coach as MM is, and the scheme he runs is essencially the same as MM, so the dropoff in that dept would be minimal.In the end, it's all about the players. Do they still believe in MM? Do they support him? If they do, if they're willing to play for him, he should stay.If not, well...</blockquote>

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