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<blockquote data-quote="Pokerbrat2000" data-source="post: 1090179" data-attributes="member: 7261"><p>Again, mostly just rhetoric on your part, seemingly to try and fit your narrative that:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I will address what you said.</p><p></p><p>The most important thing that you need to keep in mind is this. Players in all major sports work with doctors and medical people outside of the team. This is the case with surgeries, reoccurring injuries, rehab and training. That isn't just something that a small town football team like the Packers do.</p><p></p><p><strong>"Christian Watson sought outside help for recurrent hamstring issues"</strong></p><p></p><p>After the 2023 season Watson, Stokes and some of the Packer training staff visited the University of Wisconsin's Badger Athletic Performance Center. A facility that the NFL gave a $4M grant to, for further research on identifying modifiable risk factors for hamstring strains, the most common NFL injury. It was determined that Watson has asymmetry in his 2 legs. Meaning, he had a little less strength in his right leg compared to his left, which can put more strain on the left side. Given that information, he worked with both the Packers and Badgers trainers to address it.</p><p></p><p><strong>"David Bahktiari's recovery was completely botched leading to his retirement. That's highly unusual."</strong></p><p></p><p>Bahktiari's 5 surgeries on his knee were more the problem, surgeries performed by 3 different doctors. I don't really what happened to Bahk as a reflection of the Packer training staff not knowing how to prevent injuries.</p><p></p><p>As far as your conversation about the Packers weekly injury report and how it compares to other teams injury reports, I would ask you to break down all the injuries, designations (LP, DNP, FP). As you probably know, each team has their own strategy with who practices and how it is reported. Some of that is medical and some of that is strategic.</p><p></p><p><strong>"In 2025, the Packers averaged 15.2 players each week on the injury report. That must interfere with getting enough practice as well as conditioning."</strong></p><p></p><p>I can' find any source for that, can you point me to it? Are you including players on IR since the beginning of the season?</p><p></p><p><strong>"Nearly all the Packers best young players are injury prone or get a season ending injury."</strong></p><p></p><p>Is that statistically speaking or just an observation on your part?</p><p></p><p>I suppose we could all have an honest discussion about the Packers training staff, medical team and overall conditioning of the team. However, I am still wondering why you want to blame MLF for a problem, if one exists. Hiring and firing for the Packers' medical staff generally falls under the purview of the Team Physician leadership, currently led by Head Physician Dr. Michael K. Ryan and Senior Medical Advisor Dr. Patrick McKenzie, working in coordination with the team's overall football operations and executive leadership.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pokerbrat2000, post: 1090179, member: 7261"] Again, mostly just rhetoric on your part, seemingly to try and fit your narrative that: I will address what you said. The most important thing that you need to keep in mind is this. Players in all major sports work with doctors and medical people outside of the team. This is the case with surgeries, reoccurring injuries, rehab and training. That isn't just something that a small town football team like the Packers do. [B]"Christian Watson sought outside help for recurrent hamstring issues"[/B] After the 2023 season Watson, Stokes and some of the Packer training staff visited the University of Wisconsin's Badger Athletic Performance Center. A facility that the NFL gave a $4M grant to, for further research on identifying modifiable risk factors for hamstring strains, the most common NFL injury. It was determined that Watson has asymmetry in his 2 legs. Meaning, he had a little less strength in his right leg compared to his left, which can put more strain on the left side. Given that information, he worked with both the Packers and Badgers trainers to address it. [B]"David Bahktiari's recovery was completely botched leading to his retirement. That's highly unusual."[/B] Bahktiari's 5 surgeries on his knee were more the problem, surgeries performed by 3 different doctors. I don't really what happened to Bahk as a reflection of the Packer training staff not knowing how to prevent injuries. As far as your conversation about the Packers weekly injury report and how it compares to other teams injury reports, I would ask you to break down all the injuries, designations (LP, DNP, FP). As you probably know, each team has their own strategy with who practices and how it is reported. Some of that is medical and some of that is strategic. [B]"In 2025, the Packers averaged 15.2 players each week on the injury report. That must interfere with getting enough practice as well as conditioning."[/B] I can' find any source for that, can you point me to it? Are you including players on IR since the beginning of the season? [B]"Nearly all the Packers best young players are injury prone or get a season ending injury."[/B] Is that statistically speaking or just an observation on your part? I suppose we could all have an honest discussion about the Packers training staff, medical team and overall conditioning of the team. However, I am still wondering why you want to blame MLF for a problem, if one exists. Hiring and firing for the Packers' medical staff generally falls under the purview of the Team Physician leadership, currently led by Head Physician Dr. Michael K. Ryan and Senior Medical Advisor Dr. Patrick McKenzie, working in coordination with the team's overall football operations and executive leadership. [/QUOTE]
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