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<blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1087824" data-attributes="member: 17987"><p>I had this in a draft from about a week or two ago and forgot to post it....might as well now just for fun <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>Someone was asking (somewhat facetiously I think, but you know how it goes) how much of a chance we should give the "new guy" before firing him in the event that we move on from LaFleur. </p><p></p><p>So I thought it would be prudent to look back at all the other teams in the league over the last few years and see how long of a "chance" they are typically giving their coaches to reach a Super Bowl (not necessarily WIN it, just make it there...)</p><p></p><p>So, dating back to 2019 when we made Matt LaFleur our coach, here's how it looks for other teams. It's listed by how long a coach went without a Super Bowl appearance before being fired/released/resigned/etc. I tried to filter out interim coaches, and did note that some of these guys started their time with a given team prior to 2019, so that's noted as well. Coaches with an asterisk* are currently the coach of that team so that number could potentially stay the same or increase for some. </p><p></p><p><strong>Arizona Cardinals</strong></p><p>Kliff Kingsbury - 4 years without Super Bowl</p><p>Jonathan Gannon - 3 years</p><p></p><p><strong>Atlanta Falcons</strong></p><p>Dan Quinn - 6 years (2015-2020)</p><p>Raheem Morris - 1 year (interim)</p><p>Arthur Smith - 3 years</p><p>Raheem Morris - 1 year</p><p></p><p><strong>Baltimore Ravens</strong></p><p><em>John Harbaugh (2008) - won Super Bowl in 5th year</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Buffalo Bills</strong></p><p>Sean McDermott - 8 years without Super Bowl*</p><p></p><p><strong>Carolina Panthers</strong></p><p><em>Ron Rivera (2011-2019) - Super Bowl appearance in 5th year</em></p><p>Perry Fewell - 1 year</p><p>Matt Rhule - 3 years</p><p>Steve Wilks - 1 year</p><p>Frank ***** - 1 year</p><p>Chris Tabor - 1 year</p><p>Dave Canales - 2 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Chicago Bears</strong></p><p>Matt Nagy - 4 years</p><p>Matt Eberflus - 3 years</p><p>Ben Johnson - 1 year*</p><p></p><p><strong>Cincinnati Bengals</strong></p><p><em>Zac Taylor - Super Bowl appearance in 3rd year</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Cleveland Browns</strong></p><p>Freddie Kitchens - 1 year</p><p>Kevin Stefanski - 6 years</p><p></p><p><strong>Dallas Cowboys</strong></p><p>Jason Garrett (2010-2019) - 10 years</p><p>Mike McCarthy - 5 years</p><p>Brian Schottenheimer - 1 year</p><p></p><p><strong>Denver Broncos</strong></p><p>Vic Fangio - 3 years</p><p>Nathaniel Hackett - 1 year</p><p>Sean Payton - 3 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Detroit Lions</strong></p><p>Matt Patricia (2018) - 3 years</p><p>Dan Campbell - 5 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Green Bay Packers</strong></p><p>Matt LaFleur - 7 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Houston Texans</strong></p><p>Bill O'Brien (2014-2020) - 7 years</p><p>David Culley - 1 year</p><p>Lovie Smith - 1 year</p><p>DeMeco Ryans - 3 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Indianapolis Colts</strong></p><p>Frank ***** (2018) - 5 years (fired midway through year 5)</p><p>Shane Steichen - 3 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Jacksonville Jaguars</strong></p><p>Doug Marrone (2016) - 5 years</p><p>Urban Meyer - 1 year</p><p>Doug Pederson - 3 years</p><p>Liam Coen - 1 year*</p><p></p><p><strong>Kansas City Chiefs</strong></p><p><em>Andy Reid (2013) - won Super Bowl in 7th season with KC</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Las Vegas Raiders</strong></p><p>Jon Gruden (2018/Oakland) - 3/4 years (resigned 5 games into year 4)</p><p>Josh McDaniels - 2 years (fired 8 games into year 2)</p><p>Antonio Pierce - 1 year (plus 9 games as interim)</p><p>Pete Carroll - 1 year</p><p></p><p><strong>Los Angeles Chargers</strong></p><p>Anthony Lynn (2017) - 4 years</p><p>Brandon Staley - 3 years (fired after 14 games in year 3)</p><p>Jim Harbaugh - 2 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Los Angeles Rams</strong></p><p><em>Sean McVay (2017) - Super Bowl appearance in year 2 (win in year 5)</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Miami Dolphins</strong></p><p>Brian Flores - 3 years</p><p>Mike McDaniel - 4 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Minnesota Vikings</strong></p><p>Mike Zimmer (2014) - 8 years</p><p>Kevin O'Connell - 4 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>New England Patriots</strong></p><p><em>Bill Belichick (2000)- won Super Bowl in year 2</em></p><p>Jerod Mayo - 1 year</p><p>Mike Vrabel - 1 year*</p><p></p><p><strong>New Orleans Saints</strong></p><p><em>Sean Payton (2006) - won Super Bowl in year 4</em></p><p>Dennis Allen - 3 years (fired 9 games into year 3)</p><p>Kellen Moore - 1 year*</p><p></p><p><strong>New York Giants</strong></p><p>Pat Shurmur (2018) - 2 years</p><p>Joe Judge - 2 years</p><p>Brian Daboll - 4 years (fired 10 games into year 4)</p><p></p><p><strong>New York Jets</strong></p><p>Adam Gase - 2 years</p><p>Robert Saleh - 4 years (fired 5 games into year 4)</p><p>Aaron Glenn - 1 year*</p><p></p><p><strong>Philadelphia Eagles</strong></p><p><em>Doug Pederson (2016) - won Super Bowl in year 2</em></p><p><em>Nick Sirianni - won Super Bowl in year 4*</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Pittsburgh Steelers</strong></p><p><em>Mike Tomlin (2007) - won Super Bowl in year 2*</em></p><p></p><p><strong>San Francisco 49ers</strong></p><p><em>Kyle Shanahan - Super Bowl appearance in year 3</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Seattle Seahawks</strong></p><p><em>Pete Carroll (2010) - won Super Bowl in year 4</em></p><p>Mike McDonald - 2 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Tampa Bay Buccaneers</strong></p><p><em>Bruce Arians - won Super Bowl in year 2</em></p><p>Todd Bowles - 4 years*</p><p></p><p><strong>Tennessee Titans</strong></p><p>Mike Vrabel (2018) - 6 years</p><p>Brian Callahan - 2 years (fired 6 games into year 2)</p><p></p><p><strong>Washington Commanders</strong></p><p>Ron Rivera - 4 years</p><p>Dan Quinn - 2 years</p><p></p><p>Of coaches who were hired (or already in their position) at the time LaFleur was hired, there have been 13 who have appeared in a Super Bowl. <strong><em>On average, these coaches appeared in a Super Bowl within 4 years.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Similarly, in that time, there have been ~64 "non-interim" head coaches who have failed to appear in a Super Bowl. <em><strong>On average, teams are giving them about 3 seasons before moving on.</strong></em></p><p></p><p>Now of course I'll be the first to tell you this sort of "average" for "non-appearers" doesn't really tell us a ton. Some of these are just garbage franchises who churn thru coaches like socks. A team who is stringing together 3 or 4 win seasons and changing over coaches every 2 years brings the average down quick but is a very different situation than a team who is constantly pushing double digit wins and/or just about always making the playoffs. But, at the same time one could also say that coaches like Harbaugh, Tomlin, McDermott, Reid, etc are the exception to the rule that serves to drive UP the average, too. In any case, by my count, LaFleur's 7 years without a Super Bowl (of course, unless he makes it this year, as we hope) is tied for the 3rd-longest Super Bowl "appearance drought" of any coach over the last 7+ years who didn't get fired/let go/etc, for whatever that's worth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magooch, post: 1087824, member: 17987"] I had this in a draft from about a week or two ago and forgot to post it....might as well now just for fun :P Someone was asking (somewhat facetiously I think, but you know how it goes) how much of a chance we should give the "new guy" before firing him in the event that we move on from LaFleur. So I thought it would be prudent to look back at all the other teams in the league over the last few years and see how long of a "chance" they are typically giving their coaches to reach a Super Bowl (not necessarily WIN it, just make it there...) So, dating back to 2019 when we made Matt LaFleur our coach, here's how it looks for other teams. It's listed by how long a coach went without a Super Bowl appearance before being fired/released/resigned/etc. I tried to filter out interim coaches, and did note that some of these guys started their time with a given team prior to 2019, so that's noted as well. Coaches with an asterisk* are currently the coach of that team so that number could potentially stay the same or increase for some. [B]Arizona Cardinals[/B] Kliff Kingsbury - 4 years without Super Bowl Jonathan Gannon - 3 years [B]Atlanta Falcons[/B] Dan Quinn - 6 years (2015-2020) Raheem Morris - 1 year (interim) Arthur Smith - 3 years Raheem Morris - 1 year [B]Baltimore Ravens[/B] [I]John Harbaugh (2008) - won Super Bowl in 5th year[/I] [B]Buffalo Bills[/B] Sean McDermott - 8 years without Super Bowl* [B]Carolina Panthers[/B] [I]Ron Rivera (2011-2019) - Super Bowl appearance in 5th year[/I] Perry Fewell - 1 year Matt Rhule - 3 years Steve Wilks - 1 year Frank ***** - 1 year Chris Tabor - 1 year Dave Canales - 2 years* [B]Chicago Bears[/B] Matt Nagy - 4 years Matt Eberflus - 3 years Ben Johnson - 1 year* [B]Cincinnati Bengals[/B] [I]Zac Taylor - Super Bowl appearance in 3rd year[/I] [B]Cleveland Browns[/B] Freddie Kitchens - 1 year Kevin Stefanski - 6 years [B]Dallas Cowboys[/B] Jason Garrett (2010-2019) - 10 years Mike McCarthy - 5 years Brian Schottenheimer - 1 year [B]Denver Broncos[/B] Vic Fangio - 3 years Nathaniel Hackett - 1 year Sean Payton - 3 years* [B]Detroit Lions[/B] Matt Patricia (2018) - 3 years Dan Campbell - 5 years* [B]Green Bay Packers[/B] Matt LaFleur - 7 years* [B]Houston Texans[/B] Bill O'Brien (2014-2020) - 7 years David Culley - 1 year Lovie Smith - 1 year DeMeco Ryans - 3 years* [B]Indianapolis Colts[/B] Frank ***** (2018) - 5 years (fired midway through year 5) Shane Steichen - 3 years* [B]Jacksonville Jaguars[/B] Doug Marrone (2016) - 5 years Urban Meyer - 1 year Doug Pederson - 3 years Liam Coen - 1 year* [B]Kansas City Chiefs[/B] [I]Andy Reid (2013) - won Super Bowl in 7th season with KC[/I] [B]Las Vegas Raiders[/B] Jon Gruden (2018/Oakland) - 3/4 years (resigned 5 games into year 4) Josh McDaniels - 2 years (fired 8 games into year 2) Antonio Pierce - 1 year (plus 9 games as interim) Pete Carroll - 1 year [B]Los Angeles Chargers[/B] Anthony Lynn (2017) - 4 years Brandon Staley - 3 years (fired after 14 games in year 3) Jim Harbaugh - 2 years* [B]Los Angeles Rams[/B] [I]Sean McVay (2017) - Super Bowl appearance in year 2 (win in year 5)[/I] [B]Miami Dolphins[/B] Brian Flores - 3 years Mike McDaniel - 4 years* [B]Minnesota Vikings[/B] Mike Zimmer (2014) - 8 years Kevin O'Connell - 4 years* [B]New England Patriots[/B] [I]Bill Belichick (2000)- won Super Bowl in year 2[/I] Jerod Mayo - 1 year Mike Vrabel - 1 year* [B]New Orleans Saints[/B] [I]Sean Payton (2006) - won Super Bowl in year 4[/I] Dennis Allen - 3 years (fired 9 games into year 3) Kellen Moore - 1 year* [B]New York Giants[/B] Pat Shurmur (2018) - 2 years Joe Judge - 2 years Brian Daboll - 4 years (fired 10 games into year 4) [B]New York Jets[/B] Adam Gase - 2 years Robert Saleh - 4 years (fired 5 games into year 4) Aaron Glenn - 1 year* [B]Philadelphia Eagles[/B] [I]Doug Pederson (2016) - won Super Bowl in year 2 Nick Sirianni - won Super Bowl in year 4*[/I] [B]Pittsburgh Steelers[/B] [I]Mike Tomlin (2007) - won Super Bowl in year 2*[/I] [B]San Francisco 49ers[/B] [I]Kyle Shanahan - Super Bowl appearance in year 3[/I] [B]Seattle Seahawks[/B] [I]Pete Carroll (2010) - won Super Bowl in year 4[/I] Mike McDonald - 2 years* [B]Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/B] [I]Bruce Arians - won Super Bowl in year 2[/I] Todd Bowles - 4 years* [B]Tennessee Titans[/B] Mike Vrabel (2018) - 6 years Brian Callahan - 2 years (fired 6 games into year 2) [B]Washington Commanders[/B] Ron Rivera - 4 years Dan Quinn - 2 years Of coaches who were hired (or already in their position) at the time LaFleur was hired, there have been 13 who have appeared in a Super Bowl. [B][I]On average, these coaches appeared in a Super Bowl within 4 years.[/I][/B] Similarly, in that time, there have been ~64 "non-interim" head coaches who have failed to appear in a Super Bowl. [I][B]On average, teams are giving them about 3 seasons before moving on.[/B][/I] Now of course I'll be the first to tell you this sort of "average" for "non-appearers" doesn't really tell us a ton. Some of these are just garbage franchises who churn thru coaches like socks. A team who is stringing together 3 or 4 win seasons and changing over coaches every 2 years brings the average down quick but is a very different situation than a team who is constantly pushing double digit wins and/or just about always making the playoffs. But, at the same time one could also say that coaches like Harbaugh, Tomlin, McDermott, Reid, etc are the exception to the rule that serves to drive UP the average, too. In any case, by my count, LaFleur's 7 years without a Super Bowl (of course, unless he makes it this year, as we hope) is tied for the 3rd-longest Super Bowl "appearance drought" of any coach over the last 7+ years who didn't get fired/let go/etc, for whatever that's worth. [/QUOTE]
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