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<blockquote data-quote="OldSchool101" data-source="post: 1085528" data-attributes="member: 10086"><p>While I agree Love isn’t Elite, we have to define “Elite” otherwise it’s a moving target.</p><p>For myself anyway, any Elite label would come with separating yourself at the highest level. In my estimation there are between 2-4 Elite QB’s in any given season. The rest are maybe wonderful, but not Elite. Also Elite play changes from season to season. An Elite QB in 2020 might not be Elite in the 2022 season. So it’s really a moving target also and that makes it an easy argument to negate all but 2-3 QB’s leaguewide. Is Lamar Elite? Ok ok. then how many Rings does he have?? I do recall at 11yrs old he won a SB in a Florida football league. Does that count?!</p><p></p><p>So I agree that Jordan is not Elite. However many QB’s who weren’t top 2-3 rated “Elite” QB’s have had high levels of success or even Won Superbowls. Jake Delhomme everyone NEVER posted a 30 TD season and NEVER touched 4,000 yards passing. Was Jake better than Jordan?</p><p></p><p>Elite imo is overrated because with rare exception, it’s a year to year moving target. Is Nick Foles Elite? Meaning Does he magically appear in your mind as an Elite QB? Heck is Jalen Hurts considered Elite? Nope. Joe Flacco, Big Ben, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer? I doubt anyone would list them as Elite, especially if they hadn’t Won a SB. Jordan Love is as good on a talent scale as any of those guys imo. Plenty good to Win a SB.</p><p></p><p>I’d also assert that there are MANY QB Who have had Elite seasons that didn’t win the SB that year. So while Elite is preferred, if we are waiting for ongoing Elite QB play to Win a SB first jump in line because it’s out the door long and we’ve all been waiting for decades.. so don’t <strong>B</strong>utt in line! Secondly if anyone truly believes if you get Elite play it’s an automatic SB win imo you’ll be severely discouraged. It takes all 3 phases to Win.</p><p></p><p>As far as QB impact. Jordan Love is plenty good enough to Win when he’s on his game and he’s healthy. We’ve all seen him throw some bonehead INT. Yet he’s actually improved in his 3rd season. Go look at his stat line it’s true. We’ve also seen him Win THIS season with 8 combined 4Q finishes and GWInning Drives. Also Love had posted some nice 4 game stretches and that’s what Postseason requires. Matt is well equipped and he has every opportunity to out coach a slightly better team. We are not the best remaining.. but we are not far off when we execute at our ceiling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OldSchool101, post: 1085528, member: 10086"] While I agree Love isn’t Elite, we have to define “Elite” otherwise it’s a moving target. For myself anyway, any Elite label would come with separating yourself at the highest level. In my estimation there are between 2-4 Elite QB’s in any given season. The rest are maybe wonderful, but not Elite. Also Elite play changes from season to season. An Elite QB in 2020 might not be Elite in the 2022 season. So it’s really a moving target also and that makes it an easy argument to negate all but 2-3 QB’s leaguewide. Is Lamar Elite? Ok ok. then how many Rings does he have?? I do recall at 11yrs old he won a SB in a Florida football league. Does that count?! So I agree that Jordan is not Elite. However many QB’s who weren’t top 2-3 rated “Elite” QB’s have had high levels of success or even Won Superbowls. Jake Delhomme everyone NEVER posted a 30 TD season and NEVER touched 4,000 yards passing. Was Jake better than Jordan? Elite imo is overrated because with rare exception, it’s a year to year moving target. Is Nick Foles Elite? Meaning Does he magically appear in your mind as an Elite QB? Heck is Jalen Hurts considered Elite? Nope. Joe Flacco, Big Ben, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer? I doubt anyone would list them as Elite, especially if they hadn’t Won a SB. Jordan Love is as good on a talent scale as any of those guys imo. Plenty good to Win a SB. I’d also assert that there are MANY QB Who have had Elite seasons that didn’t win the SB that year. So while Elite is preferred, if we are waiting for ongoing Elite QB play to Win a SB first jump in line because it’s out the door long and we’ve all been waiting for decades.. so don’t [B]B[/B]utt in line! Secondly if anyone truly believes if you get Elite play it’s an automatic SB win imo you’ll be severely discouraged. It takes all 3 phases to Win. As far as QB impact. Jordan Love is plenty good enough to Win when he’s on his game and he’s healthy. We’ve all seen him throw some bonehead INT. Yet he’s actually improved in his 3rd season. Go look at his stat line it’s true. We’ve also seen him Win THIS season with 8 combined 4Q finishes and GWInning Drives. Also Love had posted some nice 4 game stretches and that’s what Postseason requires. Matt is well equipped and he has every opportunity to out coach a slightly better team. We are not the best remaining.. but we are not far off when we execute at our ceiling. [/QUOTE]
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