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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1085057" data-attributes="member: 17987">I know I've brought up the stat before (as have others) that most coaches who DO win a Super Bowl will do so (on average) within their first 6-7 seasons with their team, but honestly that's not something I hold a ton against Matt. At the end of the day, going on a Super Bowl run takes a lot going your way. So the mere fact that Matt hasn't *won* a Super Bowl in 6+ years...I can't put a ton of stock in that. If that were our primary measuring stick for success, then we (and most other teams) would be looking for new coaches all the time. BUT, I do find it slightly more concerning that he hasn't *made* a Super Bowl yet, much less won one.OR, even more concerning - to put it another way - if we don't manage a playoff win this year, Matt will have ONE playoff win in his last five seasons (Of course, by extension, as it stands - he has one playoff win in the last four seasons). Consistently making the playoffs is nice and all, but one win in five years (potentially) is unacceptable, IMO. Beyond that, I find it troublesome that I just don't see a ton of development/progression/growth overall. We had a great run under LaFleur with Rodgers (and to some extent I would say that LaFleur helped Rodgers as much as Rodgers helped LaFleur. They were mutually beneficial for each other). Since then...8-9, 3rd in NFCN, missed playoffs9-8, 2nd in NFCN, made playoffs. win in WC, lose in divisional11-6, 3rd in NFCN, made playoffs, lost in WC.This season, at best we will be able to improve by 1/2 game compared to last season. (11-5-1)This is a coach who constantly preaches about discipline, accountability, sharp execution, etc...yet I just don't see a ton of that. As I've said before, the same issues have came up year after year after year in LaFleur's tenure. Either he is not serious about fixing them, or he is incapable of doing so. Neither one is an appealing option. And I know many will be quick to say, "Well, we have a really young team!" Yes, we do. That's not an accident, though. We have a young team *by design*. We know (or *should* know) the "side effects" that come with that. We're not caught off-guard by having a young team, it's something we have specifically put together year after year. That excuse doesn't hold up for me any more - if that's the best we can come up with year-after-year, maybe it's time to change philosophy, if nothing else.</blockquote>

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