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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tynimiller" data-source="post: 1083742" data-attributes="member: 6578">Couple things and don't take this on you just a response prompted by thoughts reading through your post....but anyone that cites Pro Bowlers as if it has hardly any weight of relevancy in discussing a team build makes me almost stop listening to anything further they say. The Pro Bowl is a joke...the fact uneducated fans actually impact who makes it, eliminates it from any relevancy IMO. It also typically indicates to me that the person is purely a hindsight or reactive judger of things - indicating they've never truly study or researched draft prospect analysis beyond just what the draft ticker says the best available is...because the second you really do dig deeper and study the draft, and follow players careers you begin to see how incredibly hard it is to get perfect, let alone good. That said I've went down this road before and the irony is the distribution across the league is typically less than a handful per team just by a sheer number....AND pro bowls typically just follow the hot public commodity.*Sidenote...IF you are going to use Pro Bowlers as a factor in reviewing Gute I don't think you can just look at the draft at all. Gute brought in Josh Jacobs who immediately year one was a pro bowler - same with Xavier McKinney. You cannot overlook that. Zadarius Smith did this too...may be others.Also have to consider the better or higher honor IMO and to many - that of an All Pro honor. Zach Tom made All Pro in 2024 as did Xavier. Funny thing is though if you look at the Pro Bowl lists or even the All Pro....you'll see how using it as a metric of real value for judging a GM becomes IMO irrational due to the amount of guys that will make it from bad or mediocre teams I mean shoot the Jets in 2023 had three All Pro and 3 pro bowlers. Cleveland in 2023 had SEVEN pro bowlers....four more than their win total of three games that entire season. Of course a scouting department and a GM would love to only get All Pro or Pro Bowl level guys (because even if Pro Bowl nods are watered down - they typically don't suck)...but fact is there are only a limited number of each of those spots each year across 32 teams with over 50 guys per. Freaking dynamite guys are going to get snubbed and honestly quite a few a year. Take Jared Verse in 2024 as an example. Dude created the fourth most pressures in the entire league (PFF), his pass rush win rate was incredible BUT only got 6 sacks so it seems the ignorance of voters ignored the fact he produced more QB hurries than Myles Garrett, Chris Jones, Trey Hendrickson and Chase Young. Doesn't diminish the fact Verse was a DYNAMITE pick...or Yaya Diaby drafted in the third in 2023 who has been dynamite but never received awards - doesn't diminish the pick of him at all.Just some thoughts I had...</blockquote>

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