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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1083673" data-attributes="member: 17987">For me the bottom line is that it has to be one or the other. As I mentioned above, we're pushing 8 years with Gute and 7 years with LaFleur and we have 3 playoff wins between the two of them...and simply stated I don't think anyone should be content with seeing that as "up to standard" for this organization.And so with that in mind, where does the blame fall? If Gute has succeeded in acquiring/developing elite players and has put together a quality roster (top-10, for instance), then shouldn't the coach be held accountable for the lack of postseason success with this roster/players? If LaFleur is a great coach who is maximizing the talent at his disposal, managing crucial game situations properly, playing to his players' strengths...but just doesn't have the roster-quality, then shouldn't the GM be held accountable for not putting together a roster that can compete with other top teams in the postseason?I don't know where exactly the blame lies or how much it should be "split" but I'm just not willing to sit here and say "Gute is one of the best GMs in the league and LaFleur is one of the best coaches in the league" while looking at a 3-5 playoff record in the last 8 years and concluding it's just because we're unlucky or something. It's like I was saying earlier, too. If not now, when? I suspect our structure is solid enough that we will always be "dangerous" or "competitive". Is that good enough? Let's say we give both Gute and LaFleur new contracts. Are we content with making the playoffs most years and winning a playoff game every other year for the next 4, 5 years? Is the bar for success to simply make the postseason and then hope you get hot, get lucky, have the ball bounce your way and hope for the best? It makes me think, perhaps that's a better way of questioning it...if you don't want to move on from Gute and/or LaFleur right now and would advocate for giving either of them a new long-term contract, what's the bar for success for their new contract? What would your expectations be for the immediate future? (Don't get me wrong. This isn't me saying we should 100% fire both of them. I am also of the mind that you need to have a really solid plan in place before making either one of those moves. But I do think these are fair things to ask)</blockquote>

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